Mr. Chairman, the concern which I have is that there was a departmental review back in 1987 which probably cost about $300,000. Now, we are looking at another $200,000 to look at the forest fire management review in addition to whatever additional costs you will be looking at. Since you have taken over the forest management, since the devolvement of the responsibility from the feds, you have spent about $600,000 reviewing your department. I am not aware if there has even been a policy developed with regard to forest fire management. In fact, I think they are still waiting for the policy with respect to forest suppression. I know that has been requested by the native bands who have been addressing fire suppression. They have been without a policy. My concern is, we spend over half a million dollars and very little policy development is being done to address some of the critical issues of forest management. I wanted to make this concern known. I certainly hope that, through the Minister of Finance, he would request the Minister ensure that these policy developments are completed to address the critical issues such as forest fire management in the territories, particularly after spending that amount of money. Thank you.
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha
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The Chair Ludy Pudluk
Mr. Minister.
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John Pollard Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We are concerned about the amount of money we spend and how much stays in the Northwest Territories. That is why FMB is directing this study take place. I think the Minister of Renewable Resources realizes the importance of coming back with a speedy response and allowing us to address this issue. From there, I would imagine that policies will be looked at, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
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Thank you. Member for Thebacha.
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The other closing remark which I wanted to make, Mr. Chairman, is with regard to the total review. Many concerns have been expressed from my community over the fact that the review appeared to be somewhat of a barrier to trying to encourage the government to continue with their initiative on building the hangar to look after the water bombers or trying to keep them in the north as opposed to flying south. I certainly have indicated to the community that I do not believe it is the case, we are trying to find a way to make more use of our dollars in the north and I support the concept of it. However, I certainly hope in the future when the government is going to look at doing something, they do not start looking at a review after they make a decision to do something. A review should be done first and then a plan should be developed. This is certainly not what has happened. My constituents have been very concerned. As a Member of the Standing Committee on Finance under the chairmanship of Mr. Todd, I gave up in the capital budget to delay one of the critical infrastructures in our community of the college building because I knew this hangar was going to be built. What I am faced with now in my constituency is having no projects whatsoever this year and next year having two major projects where we would not even have enough people in the community to keep working, we will probably have to import people to work and this year all my constituents will be unemployed. The planning does not only reflect on the ability of government to plan accordingly but it reflects on the MLAs ability to ensure that planning is properly done in the process. I have been concerned about it, and I did indicate that I was going to express this concern in the House. Thank you.
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Thank you. Forest fire management, not previously authorized, $190,000.
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Agreed.
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Thank you. Total department, not previously authorized, $635,000. Mr. Koe.
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Fred Koe Inuvik
I have a question on the directorate. Can the Minister advise me as to the money spent on the constitutional commission? You are asking for an additional $240,000. What was this for?
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Mr. Minister.
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John Pollard Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There were some clean ups on the constitutional commission. The Department of Renewable Resources had continued to fund the deputy minister and the executive secretary of the constitutional commission, and there were some clean ups in that regard. Also, there were retirement and severance benefits for the deputy minister and executive secretary from the Department of Renewable Resources. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Thank you. Mr. Koe.
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Fred Koe Inuvik
What are residual expenses?
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Mr. Minister.
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Mr. Chairman, the deputy minister of the Department of Renewable Resources was chairman of the constitutional commission from August, 1991, to approximately May, 1992. The salary of the chairman as well as an executive secretary and a policy specialist continued to be paid by Renewable Resources. The salary costs amounted to $46,484. Those are unpaid at the present time, that was the residual, Mr. Chairman.
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Thank you. Total department, not previously authorized, $635,000.
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Department Of Municipal And Community Affairs
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Thank you. Municipal and Community Affairs, operations and maintenance, sport and recreation, not previously authorized, $90,000. Mr. Koe.
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Fred Koe Inuvik
Can I ask the Minister, how many requests, other than the three we are approving, were received from communities? How many requests were received for additional funding for recreational salary subsidy program other than the three which are being approved here?
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Mr. Allooloo. Mr. Pollard.
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John Pollard Hay River
Mr. Chairman, I do not think it was based so much on application as to the trainees who were coming through the recreation leaders' program. It was based on the number of people who came through the program. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Mr. Koe.
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It does not make sense. There are 12 or 15 people in the program, so every time someone graduates do you mean we are going to come for a supp? There must be some ongoing money. I am aware of one other community which has requested a small amount of money and I am not sure where that request is. It is Arctic Red River, they wanted a small amount of money to employ their recreation person who is in the program during the summer months. I wonder if funding is available for them.
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Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Mr. Chairman, as the people become available from the program they are dealt with by supp unless we can get it into the main budget process. Then, the supplementary funding is rolled over into the base of the department. You will see, very shortly, as we go into supp one of next fiscal year there are a number of other communities that are taking part in this program and it will be done in the same way.
With regard to the specifics on Arctic Red River, Mr. Chairman, I would have to defer to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. I am not familiar with that community's request. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.