Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I had tried to answer Mr. Patterson's question, but I may not have given enough information. I think if we had restricted our hearings to the west, this second recommendation would have read that an ombudsman not be created. But because there was such a strong response from the east, from the communities we represented, saying there has to be representation, saying that the people in the east have to have access to information, this is why this recommendation was structured this way, whereby a second legislative action paper be created.

In the report, on page 42, in brief it states what this legislative action paper should focus on. I indicated there were many presentations that indicated it was too vague. On page 42, "The legislative action paper should focus on the powers and jurisdictions of the ombudsman, the mandate of the ombudsman, the origin of complaints and referrals, a model for community access, coordination of the office with the office of the Official Languages Commissioner and/or right to information legislation." Again, I would like to say in the east there was very strong support, either for an officer to be created within the access to information legislation, or that an ombudsman office be created, which is why at this point the east and the west could not agree on this particular area. The solution we came up with was to make this recommendation to create a second legislative action paper on the ombudsman.

Again, just to say I think these hearings have been important because if they had been restricted to the west we would not have heard the concerns of the people in the east. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

To the motion.

Question.

Are you ready for the question? A recorded vote has been requested. Please stand. Those in favour of the motion.

Recorded Vote

Mr. Whitford, Mr. Lewis, Mr. Arngna'naaq, Mr. Ningark, Mr. Pudlat, Mr. Dent, Mrs. Marie-Jewell, Mr. Gargan, Mr. Koe, Mr. Antoine.

Thank you. All those opposed, please stand.

Mr. Arvaluk.

Thank you. Those abstaining, please stand.

Mr. Patterson, Mr. Zoe, Mr. Allooloo, Ms. Mike, Mr. Pollard, Ms. Cournoyea, Mr. Kakfwi, Mr. Todd.

There are ten in favour, one against, and 8 abstaining. The motion is carried.

---Carried

---Applause

Does this committee agree that Committee Report 15-12(3), Report on Tabled Document 33-12(2): Government Accountability: A Legislative Action Paper on Access to Government is concluded?

Agreed.

---Agreed

Thank you. What is the wish of the committee? Member for Thebacha.

Mr. Chairman, I would like to move that we report progress. Thank you.

There is a motion on the floor to report progress. The motion is not debatable. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried. Thank you.

---Carried

I will now rise and report progress.

Item 19, report of committee of the whole. Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Committee Report 15-12(3), Committee Report 17-12(3), Bill 5, Bill 18, Bill 19, Bill 21 and Bill 22, and would like to report progress with three motions being adopted; that Committee Report 15-12(3) and Committee Report 17-12(3) are concluded, that Bill 18, Bill 19, Bill 21 and Bill 22 are ready for third reading, and that Bill 5 is ready for third reading, as amended. Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of the committee of the whole be concurred with.

---Applause

Seconded by Mr. Koe. The motion is in order. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Item 20, third reading of bills. Mr. Pollard.

Mr. Pollard, your motion is in order. To the motion.

Question.

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 17 has had third reading. Item 20, third reading of bills. Mr. Pollard.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Baffin Centre, that Bill 20, Loan Authorization Act, 1993-94, be read for the third time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The motion is in order, Mr. Pollard. To the motion.

Question.