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James Arvaluk Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First of all, I would like to commend the Minister for proceeding with the education strategy, as he mentioned on page one of his opening remarks. I feel this is very much needed, especially for a high standard of education and successful completion of secondary schools in the communities. That is very urgently needed, especially in the small communities because, as I stated before, it is no longer acceptable for federal day school policy. A federal government employee stated to his colleagues, and I overheard it, "If some Eskimos are given grade nine education and some training, they could make good office clerks and

rolls abouts." I think this is outdated and I welcome very much the Minister having higher hopes and goals with his opening remarks.

Also, I welcome, on page four of his opening remarks, again this year, "We are proposing further extension of high school grades in communities where there is a need and support of the community and the boards." However, as I stated in my Member's statement this morning, there is still a need for a coordination between the main estimates capital plans and other departments responsible for establishing such facilities.

I could use a few examples, Mr. Chairman, of the lack of coordination, not necessarily just because of the Department of Education, rather the government as a whole, that the Department of Education is responsible for in those programs. Although I want to be stating this in general comments, Mr. Chairman, I think examples will not hurt.

In Coral Harbour, we are introducing grade 11 extension this year. We are also expecting a fair number of kindergarten children entering in the fall season. As I stated a year and a half ago, we were utilizing gymnasium spectator areas for Inuktitut language programs and we have taken up 60 per cent of the Arctic College classrooms for regular grade students, whereas Arctic College pays 100 per cent for those facilities. A lack of coordination also was stated in yesterday's question period about staff housing for teachers, which we will also need for grade extension this year and for kindergarten children. We are talking about two more just in one community. We are already utilizing one staff house for two teachers who are not related. They do not even come from the same place.

We have been unfair to single people. We have been trying to hire married teachers only so we can accommodate them in the houses. We do not have any units for single people. I do not know how that would work well with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Mr. Chairman, I have no hesitation in commending the Minister for very good opening remarks, but I must emphasize that there has to be coordination between the Department of Education, divisional boards, Public Works and the Department of Personnel, in making the opening remarks workable. It is not a good idea to state them in the House and to the people of the Northwest Territories when we will not be able to make them come true as goals and objectives. I also note, in the main estimates, the departmental goals, these are very well worth looking at and pursuing. I certainly will be pursuing, in my term in this office, to have them realized at the community level. It is too important to ignore that once these are stated in the House, they are not realized at the community level. I will not speak too long, Mr. Chairman.

When we make capital projects, the government does not allow the department to properly plan, which is in the main estimates. For example, Chesterfield Inlet, a four year old school is overcrowded and there is no library or gymnasium. The industrial and home economic sections are used for regular classrooms because there is no space in the school. This seems to be discrimination against small communities. They do not get the same consideration for those essential facilities, such as phys-ed, science labs and libraries, as other schools in larger communities. With those remarks, Mr. Chairman, I would like to move to my general comments on the Arctic College.

It seems to be a disease throughout the Northwest Territories that Arctic College is given a second consideration as a priority for education for young people, especially young adults. Every time there is a lack of space in the schools, that Arctic College also occupies in the adult education sections, Arctic College is removed from the school so regular classes can be utilized there. An example is Coral Harbour. It is important that the government as a whole realize, in order to achieve the goals and objectives in creating Nunavut and Denendeh governments, education must be a top priority, not as an expenditure, but as reaching out to the communities. It could be 20 per cent of the total budget of the government. Perhaps, we should look at it this way. That 20 per cent may be too small. Perhaps, it should be 40 per cent. Just because it is large does not mean it is large enough. The success of society depends on good education in both aboriginal languages and culture in the academic world. I will be asking questions later. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Arvaluk. Are there any general comments or questions? Mr. Pudlat.

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Kenoayoak Pudlat Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have some comments under capital projects. First of all, I would like to thank all of the Members of the Legislative Assembly, the previous Minister of Education and the present Minister. A school is being built in Lake Harbour. I think it is going to be opened in the fall, the beginning of the next school year. I would like to thank the Department of Education for this and also the Members of the Legislative Assembly.

I recently asked a question in this House regarding the three communities which wanted grade extensions in their communities. Teachers will have to be brought into the communities for grade extensions and housing will have to be provided for the extra teachers. I know the government is in a deficit at the present time. However, there are many students who would like to take their schooling in their home community if they can get the grade extensions in the communities.

For example, in my community of Lake Harbour students must leave the community and go to Iqaluit to take grade ten. There are a great deal of students who go to Iqaluit from Lake Harbour. There are more students going to Iqaluit all the time. Lake Harbour is very close to Iqaluit. We have encountered numerous problems. For example, there are more students from Lake Harbour than from any other Baffin community going to Iqaluit for school. We are now getting a new school which will be opened next fall.

I have been a member of the education council and was the chairman in 1995-86. We stressed the need for a new school and grade ten extension in the community of Lake Harbour. Although we worked hard for this type of assistance, I do not know whether or not we are going to get it. Before we go on to capital projects, I wanted to mention this.

I do not know whether I am within my rights to talk about this or not, but the money which is being distributed to divisional boards of education throughout the territories is going to be distributed monthly. I am only making general comments at present. Later on I will be asking questions of the Minister.

I feel that education is very important in the communities, especially when we are working toward a Nunavut government. I feel that the aboriginal people who are working in the Northwest Territories will have to be better educated to manage their own affairs in Nunavut in the future. We cannot say that we will all get territorial employees from the communities. I feel we have to look toward educating our young people. If we keep cutting the education budget I think we are going to be in a difficult position where we cannot train our aboriginal people in the Northwest Territories.

I am not against people coming from the south to work in the territories and our communities. I am saying that we have to make education a priority in the north. I feel there should be some money put aside in the capital estimates to build more schools. It is very important for our students to reach the high school level and to go on to college. I wanted to say that the capital budget must be in place for the future development of all schools in the territories. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Pudlat. Just a reminder, we are dealing with the O and M. We will not be discussing capital projects as such but, perhaps, the O and M related to capital would be in order. Mr. Minister, is there anything which you wanted to comment on? We will continue with general comments for the Department of Education, Culture and Employment Programs. Detail, directorate, general comments? Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a couple of questions I would like to ask the Minister before we get into detail. At the beginning of the budget section of the book there is a section which shows the program structure chart. Where is child day care going to fit into the department?

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Minister.

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

The new organizational structure has not been concluded. We will respond to day care being in the department April 1, 1993.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Could the Minister advise how child day care has been accounted for in this budget?

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Minister.

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

That particular responsibility has not been dealt with in this budget. It will be dealt with in the supplementary appropriation which is coming forward. The interim relationship in future will be under advanced education. That will be an interim area of responsibility.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Nerysoo. Are there any general comments? Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

One other comment, to carry on with child day care, the department at present is undertaking to prepare a strategic plan which is expected to be finished this year. Is the department cognizant of the fact that day care is moving into the department? Has that been taken into account and does the strategic plan include an integration of day care in the department?

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Nerysoo.

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, that will be a consideration in the development of the strategic plan.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the Minister's opening statement, and several times during the session, we have heard about the $6 million program to develop employment, especially in the Standing Committee on Finance. We welcome this kind of initiative, particularly if we are assured that it is not just a make-work project, but is, in fact, one that will stimulate people to learn how to get jobs in the future. Several times, we have been promised more information on it, but we keep getting little bits and pieces as we go along. I noticed, in the statement, that the Minister promises to have the details out and application forms to communities by the end of this month. Is the Minister planning to present a cohesive picture of what this entire package looks like to the Legislature before it goes out? Can the Minister advise us as to when that might take place?

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Nerysoo.

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have been reluctant to release other details of the program without having a complete package available to Members. One of the problems that I find in releasing concepts about new programs is that people do not understand them, nor do they get the total package so they can make those presentations to the communities. I can indicate to the honourable Member that, this morning, I received a second part of that particular package that I want to present to my Cabinet colleagues. Once approval has been given by my Cabinet colleagues, I will return to this Assembly and announce the details and the total package, including the application forms. It is all part of that particular package. I can indicate to the honourable Member that I have been concerned about it. As a result of that, the department, along with Mr. Alvarez, has been working to ensure the package is finished. This morning, I received the second portion of that particular package.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

I appreciate that it is a package in development but, if it is planned to be ready to be sent out to communities by the end of this month, can Members of the Legislature expect to see it in one, two or three weeks, or have you got an idea of when we can expect it?

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Minister.

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Chairman, I am working with a schedule of one week. However, I indicated this morning, it could be up to two weeks. It will be, without any question, before this Assembly rises. I will make that particular statement in this House.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. General comments. Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Under the heading of schools, it deals with increases for grade extension. I would like to speak to that very briefly. Mr. Chairman, we are not producing high school graduates, especially in the native population. I do not know why. I do not have the answer. I know though, Mr. Chairman, that we have good staff in the territories. We have very good facilities. I think we have a very good curriculum in our education system. Where is the problem? I do not know.

Part of the problem is that we are not providing choices for our students. I say that because most of the students who get their education at the community level, once they have passed their grade eight or nine, have to leave that community to get full education in the larger centres. I think that is where part of the problem lies. Either they have to go to larger communities for higher education or they go to Yellowknife. My communities are Pelly Bay, Taloyoak and Gjoa Haven. The parents and the students prefer to go to Yellowknife, rather than Cambridge Bay. I am supposed to be representing Cambridge Bay, but I am being honest about it. If there was a high school in one of my communities of Gjoa Haven, Spence Bay and Pelly Bay, I think we would see more successful rates of graduates in all of those communities.

Education is the responsibility of everyone, the parents and the students. Education begins at home. As soon as the child is born, it is up to the mother to educate that baby. I think it is very important that education is brought to the community to the student and not the student to education. There are parents and students who would rather have their higher education in other communities, perhaps Yellowknife, or other respectable locations. A good majority of those students, especially in my riding, would rather have their high school facilities or grade extension right at home. That is just a point, it is not a question. Thank you.