Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell.
Debates of March 8th, 1993
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Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne
Supplementary To Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha
Mr. Speaker. Has the Minister evaluated office space and administrative support requirements associated with this decentralization initiative? Thank you.
Further Return To Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are presently doing that.
Further Return To Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne
Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell.
Supplementary To Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
Item 5: Oral Questions
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha
Is the Minister able to provide the House with a proposed time line for the completion of the decentralization of POL headquarters? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
Item 5: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne
Mr. Morin.
Further Return To Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will provide the Member with that information.
Further Return To Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne
Mrs. Marie-Jewell.
Further Return To Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha
Point of order, Mr. Speaker. Is he taking the supplementary question under notice?
Further Return To Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne
No, as I have said a number of times. Ministers have to actually state that they are taking it under notice. The Minister said that he would provide information to the Member. Mrs. Marie-Jewell, final supplementary.
Supplementary To Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha
Mr. Speaker, was the Minister indicating that he would provide the information to this House? Can the Minister indicate a time frame for the completion of the decentralization of POL? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne
Mr. Morin.
Further Return To Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member asked if I would provide the information, and I said I would. I will provide the information by next week. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
Question 444-12(3): Decentralization Of Petroleum Products Division
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne
Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Whitford.
Question 445-12(3): Inclusion Of Local Involvement In Negotiated Contracts
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Tony Whitford Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct a question to the Minister of Transportation regarding projects within his department relating to the construction and maintenance of winter roads. For example, the winter road into Lac La Martre is already proceeding on the basis of a negotiated contract, as opposed to more standard and possibly less costly tendering practices. I am interested in whether this negotiated contract has resulted in any greater success in the involvement and hiring of aboriginal people, than if the project had been tendered. Can the Minister indicate to the House what arrangements have been made with this negotiated contract with Nishi-Khon/PCL for local involvement?
Question 445-12(3): Inclusion Of Local Involvement In Negotiated Contracts
Item 5: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne
Mr. Todd.
Return To Question 445-12(3): Inclusion Of Local Involvement In Negotiated Contracts
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the first significant economic benefit derived from the negotiated contract would be Dogrib people receiving equity in the venture. Hopefully, the employment and economic opportunities will be derived from it. The department, under my instructions, did negotiate a contract with Nishi-Khon/PCL. They negotiated it with the clear intention of providing an opportunity for the Dogrib people to receive the skills and knowledge that is necessary to be part of the economic opportunities that will arise over the coming years in that area.
It was our intention from the very beginning that this would be a one-year venture. We would look, at the end of the project, at the economic benefits to see what the net effect was to the people in that area. We made that a condition of the contract. I am confident that, at the end of it, we will be able to demonstrate to this House and to the people of the Northwest Territories, that significant economic benefits would accrue to the aboriginal people of that region.
Return To Question 445-12(3): Inclusion Of Local Involvement In Negotiated Contracts
Question 445-12(3): Inclusion Of Local Involvement In Negotiated Contracts
Item 5: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne
Supplementary, Mr. Whitford.
Supplementary To Question 445-12(3): Inclusion Of Local Involvement In Negotiated Contracts
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Tony Whitford Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I was hoping that every opportunity would be found to hire local people from the Lac La Martre area on this project. I expect that, since this was a negotiated contract, terms would be included to allow for the monitoring of local involvement on this project. Can the Minister indicate if, in fact, the department has already assessed whether Nishi-khon/PCL was able to increase local employment by hiring Lac La Martre's work force?
Supplementary To Question 445-12(3): Inclusion Of Local Involvement In Negotiated Contracts
Question 445-12(3): Inclusion Of Local Involvement In Negotiated Contracts
Item 5: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne
Mr. Todd.
Further Return To Question 445-12(3): Inclusion Of Local Involvement In Negotiated Contracts
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Item 5: Oral Questions
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the honourable Member has stated, initially in the discussions, that was one of the objectives that we were trying to accomplish. It is my understanding, from discussions with the groups
involved, there has been significant involvement of the Dogrib people in that area. I do not have the actual numbers today, but at the end of this contract, it is our intention to evaluate the cost benefits of a negotiated contract versus a public tender. I would hope, and I am confident that, the net benefits to the people, including jobs, equity participation, purchasing of services, et cetera, will be significantly higher than they have been under the previous negotiated contract because of the equity participation. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 445-12(3): Inclusion Of Local Involvement In Negotiated Contracts
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne
Supplementary, Mr. Whitford.
Supplementary To Question 445-12(3): Inclusion Of Local Involvement In Negotiated Contracts
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Tony Whitford Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last September, there was an award ceremony that took place in Lac La Martre, where several young men were receiving certificates for a heavy equipment operation and air brake course that was put on by Arctic College, sponsored in part by the department and the local contractor that was building an airport. One of the highlights of my career as Minister was to be able to present these certificates. One of the things that was stated by these young people was, "Now they have trained us, will we get a job anywhere to put this into practice?" Could the Minister indicate whether or not any of these young men who received these certificates had been recruited to work on this project that they had been so diligently and skillfully trained for?
Supplementary To Question 445-12(3): Inclusion Of Local Involvement In Negotiated Contracts
Question 445-12(3): Inclusion Of Local Involvement In Negotiated Contracts
Item 5: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne
Mr. Todd.
Further Return To Question 445-12(3): Inclusion Of Local Involvement In Negotiated Contracts
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Mr. Speaker, the theory behind negotiated contracts with locally sponsored groups is that they will react responsibly and morally with regard to employment. I do not actually have the details of these young men who were involved in this particular training program. I am prepared to get that to determine how many were active or are active in this project. I would hope that, given the fact that we are negotiating with the Dogrib people, they would see a priority and a condition of this negotiated contract was to ensure maximum employment opportunities for the people. That is the best way I can answer this question at this time.