Qujannamiik. Mr. Arvaluk, we'll need to get a copy of the motion to the Members who need translation, so we will take five minutes.

Agreed.

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The committee will come back to order. Mr. Arvaluk has read the motion into the record. The motion is in order. To the motion, Mr. Arvaluk.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The reason I brought this up is because we have been getting phone calls and letters. I also got a reply, by letter, from the Minister about this. I was hoping for a more positive response. Why the Minister changed his mind is not stated in the letter. It sounds like there was a unilateral decision to change the agreement that this joint meeting had agreed upon earlier.

I only understood that his consultation meeting in Coral Harbour must have been important and expensive, because not only one department went in. There was the Department of Public Works and Services, Education, the vice-president of Arctic College, director of the Keewatin Divisional Board of Education and the whole local education council met. I also understand that this was an open meeting with the community. Anyone who wanted to attend was welcomed, along with the school principal.

This was a meeting to decide how the school extension was going to be built, and planned, along with the Arctic College idea. They felt strongly that an east wing is needed for the regular school. The Minister's letter stated that there is a 71 per cent utilization ratio at the moment. But, he does not consider other requirements of the school that he was planning; that is, a study room, extended education classroom, a meeting room, cultural inclusion teaching area and office space for CEC. These are not funded through CEC. Coral Harbour is very active in this area. They need the space on a permanent basis.

My argument against this motion, Mr. Chairman, is that it is very, very sad when a community has been given positive hope, and gets hyped up and makes their plans -- they tell the community on the radio programs that they had a great meeting with senior officials and what they had come up with -- and the department turns around ten months later or so and unilaterally decides to cancel what was agreed to in the joint meeting in Coral Harbour.

I am concerned about the correspondence that has come to me from the Coral Harbour education council requesting the reinstatement of the regional agreement, to have it respected. If it is not going to be respected, then at least go back to Coral Harbour and come up with an alternate solution, rather than unilaterally coming up with the 1995-96 capital estimates without any consultation with the community at all. Qujannamiik.

Qujannamiik. To the motion. Mr. Minister.

Mr. Chairman, it is too bad that an impression was left that somehow an agreement was reached. There seems to be a fundamental difference between interpretations of that meeting. I'll ask Mr. Kaulbach, who was at that meeting, to speak in a few minutes. On the matter of the renovations to the east wing and the idea of it moving to Arctic College, the advantage of that was we would have one central location for the delivery of both adult and school-aged children educational program delivery.

As a result of that change, what we did was added five new classrooms, one science class, library and resource area, increased staff area, dental suite and internal renovations to the west section. What we also have just approved is $180,000 worth of work that was supposed to be carried out next year, to be carried out now so that we can renovate the classrooms. That is going ahead already.

I think the problem, with the letters going back and forth, is that there has either been a misunderstanding or an unwillingness to go back to what was actually said at the meeting. As far as the staff is concerned, and I have to believe Mr. Colbourne and Mr. Kaulbach, the issue is, there would need to be an appropriate community educational plan that dealt with future educational development. That was the basis of the discussion. There was an agreement that we would do the renovations and, in the future, that our 1998-99 commitment is an additional new wing for $1.48 million. That would also address the college programming. It would allow us, if it were necessary, to get rid of the east wing, depending what we saw as the need and use of that section.

That, generally, is the impression that was left in the information I have received so far. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Minister, you requested Mr. Kaulbach to speak to the motion. For the Minister, Mr. Kaulbach.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. During my attendance at that meeting, a request for a new stand-alone learning centre was made. The department listened to the various alternatives and the understanding that was left at that point was that the department would evaluate these alternatives and work with the community in coming up with a comprehensive plan to offer adult education in the community.

The option that was chosen was to put them into the east wing and increase the school allocation for the spaces they would lose. The long-term needs would be addressed through an additional program, based on final evaluation of that existing wing. Thank you.

Thank you. I would like to apologize. The rule of committee of the whole only allows Members of the Legislature to speak to the motion. To the motion. Mr. Arvaluk.

Mr. Chairman, then Mr. Kaulbach's comments will be withdrawn from Hansard?

Thank you. They're already in the record, so we will keep them in the record. To the motion. Mr. Gargan.

Mr. Chairman, I just have one question to ask the Minister regarding this. It's with regard to the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, regarding their policies regarding adult education centres or community learning centres. Is it the policy of the government to have those included as part of an elementary school or a junior high school?

Thank you. Mr. Minister, to the motion.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, wherever it's cost-effective. That's the nature of what we're trying to do now. The problem is that we don't have the resources that we used to have, and we have to be more prudent and careful about how we expend our capital money. There are ways of planning the projects so that we isolate the adult programming from the high school or the primary educational program area.

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Gargan.

So adult learning centres are part of Arctic College programs. The direction for the department then is to include Arctic College programs as part of the mainstream education; elementary, junior or senior.

Thank you. To the motion, Mr. Minister.

Thank you. Yes, because what you have to do is understand that there's a continuum of education going from one grade to the next to adult

programming. The other issue is that it allows for access to the resources that are in a particular school. For instance, let's talk library. A lot of programming that is being done for the adult programming also requires them to have access to a library for research, resource material, computers, that kind of stuff that can be shared more effectively.

Thank you. To the motion, Mr. Arvaluk.

Mr. Chairman, I'm not in a position to comment on policy, but I could see that...I'm from Coral Harbour. I've been in that school many, many times. I have, in fact, participated in instruction in life-skills programs, especially on the land, et cetera, or pre-employment life-skills programs. It's a big, big problem that in Coral Harbour, the adult education program is very active and there are mothers who are attending that school, attending that Arctic College. As soon as it's 3:30, the children of those students in Arctic College come in to the Arctic College, start bothering their mothers who are trying to study, trying to go to school. Having the same place for children and adults does not work because in a small community, it's inevitable that you are going to have the parents and the children going to school in the same place. And you know how children are. After school, they want to see their parents. Most of them go home to see their parents, but a lot of them have parents who are going to school there. It's really bothersome.

I guess my comment in this case, to this motion, is that the cost-effectiveness which is quite marginal, would be compared to the quality of education. I don't think we could argue that. I don't think we should be allowed to argue that. Qujannamiik.

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Whitford.

Thank you. To the motion, Mr. Minister.

Thank you. One matter of concern to me, for instance, is the unwillingness of Members maybe to appreciate the advantages of a situation like this. What is happening is that there may be a situation, even in the schools, where the adult students will have access to the business labs, to the science rooms, to industrial arts, even to the gymnasium, as generally has not been the case. The so-called separate community learning centres only provide classrooms, they don't provide those additional resources.

The other point I wanted to make is that even with regard to classes -- and I know my honourable colleague knows this full well, Mr. Arvaluk -- and the significant requirement of dollars even now to keep up and maintain schools to meet the needs of children. So when we're trying to find a way to save the resources and be capable of providing the programming, some of these considerations have to be made and given to ensure that we can utilize all the facilities available.

So that is the situation and we're promoting it wherever we can across the Northwest Territories so that we can use more of our money much better. I think that wherever we can save money and get better results and returns, that's where we're trying to head. Knowing the consciousness of the honourable Member, that he would want any Minister to be careful and to be more responsive while at the same time being cognizant of the costs. I understand, and I also appreciate the comments that are being made. I do think there's a major misunderstanding and it needs to be resolved.

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Arvaluk.

The last comment I'm going to make is that in the budget, you'll see that you have over $2.9 million for the school extension for Coral Harbour in the following pages. I seem to have seen somewhere, the awarding of a contract information that, I think, the lowest bid -- who is doing the work there now -- if I recall that letter properly, was something along the lines of $1.8 million. That's over $1 million under the original budget. Surely that $1 million is sufficient to have that stand-alone building built in Coral Harbour because you have saved so much from the school extension. Qujannamiik.

Mr. Chairman, just one final comment. I have no problem supporting the motion and one of the reasons is because, in my opinion, the department has two standards. I refer to the larger communities who have the luxury of having stand-alone buildings. I'm sure we're not going to have an adult education building connected to St. Pat's, or St. Joseph's, or any other school. I know of programs that are delivered are done in an apartment, I think, seven floors up in the Yellowknife Panda II building. I see a situation where the smaller communities are not given the opportunity to make those choices.

The government says that we look at the most economical way of doing it and that is to combine them and we'd look at why we should combine them. I've made arguments in that area too with the Minister, and the Minister is well aware of it. Up to now, we haven't seen anything progress anywhere with regard to why I feel that adult education should be separate from the mainstream education. I have no problems if the community has that opportunity, if they want to have a separate structure, as opposed to having it as part of the elementary or junior high school; I think they should have that choice. I don't think it should be imposed on them.

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Minister.

Thank you. I don't want to debate this issue but I'll tell you this, at this particular juncture, we're approximately $21 million short for school programming, capital programming for elementary school K-12. We need to find a way to run programs much better. All I'm suggesting to the honourable Members is that the more we try to organize this, the better it is. In some communities we may be able to address the capital separately but in working together, it's my view we can come to a solution, but that's the only way we can do it. We have to look at the cost and look at the increase in our school-aged population because it's very, very significant.

I can tell you this, in the Keewatin region, for instance, what had not been planned is 200 more students going in the school program that were not there last year. That's the increase in growth in those communities. These are the kinds of problems we're encountering. The adult programming, too, is expanding very significantly. These are the kind of things we are trying to consider in terms of planning for our capital projects. I need the honourable Members to appreciate that that's the issue.

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Gargan.

Mr. Chairman, the other issue, too, is with regard to the kind of community transfer initiatives and the self-government issues that are coming up. As long as this government holds the purse strings, it's still up to them to determine how it should be done, as opposed to the communities determining that. I think it's really counterproductive that you keep talking about giving more control to the communities, community transfer initiatives, self-government initiatives, while at the same time, the government says we can't because it's not economical. I think we have to start allowing the communities to determine that themselves.

Qujannamiik. To the motion.

Question.

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Keewatin, total region, $10,000. Agreed? Mr. Dent.

Thank you. Keewatin, total region. Mr. Minister.

Mr. Chairman, even though the issue is not a matter of our capital budget now, the plan is 1999-2000, with $880,000, and 1998-99, $65,000. The Inuit cultural institute, $50,000 for 1996-97, and $525,000, I believe, 1997-98. In the year 1999-2000, a potential for another $225,000.

Qujannamiik. Keewatin, total region. Mr. Dent.

Qujannamiik. Minister for Education.

It's just a projection. It's an additional bay, I believe, for the trade centre, in anticipation of additional requirements, which is the expansion to the trade centre in Rankin and the Inuit cultural institute. It is a commitment that we've made to the Inuit Cultural Centre as a result of the Dene Cultural Institute and other cultural organizations.

Thank you. Keewatin, total region, $10,000. Agreed?

Agreed.

---Agreed

Thank you. Kitikmeot, total region, $70,000. Agreed?

Agreed.

---Agreed

Thank you. Thank you very much. Total buildings and works, $4.348 million. Mr. Patterson.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, what I'm about to raise I understand is an operations and maintenance issue and I know we're in capital, but just as the Standing Committee on Finance in its report acknowledged that these things are interrelated and should be raised now, I do want to raise this issue in committee of the whole.

The issue I'm concerned about, Mr. Chairman, has to do with the allocation of base funding in the Arctic College when the new colleges are established in the new year. I'd like to be specific and give some examples. I'm concerned that there's no nursing program in Nunavut. I'm concerned that there's no native studies program in Nunavut. And I'm very concerned about trades training. I understand that there is now only one location designated for trades training of apprentices in the Northwest Territories and that's at Thebacha Campus. There is a base, I understand, of some $1.1 million and eight permanent person years. It seems to me, Mr. Chairman, that some of those person years and some of that base funding have been dedicated to students from Nunavut. There is obviously going to be a desire, as we move towards Nunavut and as we establish a Nunavut Arctic College, to have trades training take place closer to home in the three Nunavut regions.

I'll give one other example, Mr. Chairman. There are two environmental technology and renewable resource programs now in place in the college, one is located at Thebacha Campus and one at Nunatta Campus. It seems, however, on the face of it, that there are disparities and inequities in the funding. The RRTP program at Thebacha has a budget, I understand, of some $400,000 and five person years, yet a comparable program at Nunatta Campus has a budget of only $300,000 and three person years.

I guess I'd like to ask the Minister, Mr. Chairman, how the department is going to handle the allocation of the existing base funding when the new colleges are established. I would like to make it clear that I'm just concerned about equity and fairness, nothing more. I think there should be some way of making a fair division of the existing O and M resources. Thank you.

Mr. Minister, although the issue is dealing with O and M, I'll allow the question. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm concerned about equity, too. That's why I raised the whole matter of some base resources that are required for Kitikmeot. I think that that's fundamental because we cannot consider delivering a base of resources if we don't look at the situation, particularly if they don't have the facilities in place to deliver programs in the region.

As I pointed out earlier to the honourable Member, I think the way the formula has now allowed us to work these things out will be much more equitable.

I understand the concern that has been raised, but I think we have to realize that our experiences, first, in any new program, as the one that the honourable Member pointed to which is nursing, needs to allow us to at least gain some experience in the delivery of that program. I do understand the need for us maybe to evaluate whether we have to consider expanding it. But I think our short-term experience, as was the case for the teacher education program, will only teach us an ability to deliver better.

I also understand the point that was raised about the technology program, driver education or heavy equipment operator programs. But I think it's a matter of how we...We have to ask ourselves a question as to how it is that we can collectively deliver those programs. Once we do that, then I think...For instance, there have been some programs that have been delivered in Nunatta that have not been delivered in Thebacha or any of the western campuses, it's been the total responsibility of Nunatta. In some cases that may not happen. It's unfortunate, Mr. Chairman, that I didn't have a chance to get the kind of advice that Mr. Wilman gave Mr. Patterson because I think the best situation would have been to allow the Nunavut Arctic College board to try to address these particular matters and resolve it between the total board component.

I think the application of the new formula, developing the plan of action, and then determining the investment that's necessary for these programs would better resolve the concern the honourable Member has raised, because I think that's the only way we can all resolve it. In some cases, aboriginal organizations are spending their own money to have some of these programs delivered, as a result of claim agreements.

Thank you. Total buildings and works, capital estimates. Mr. Patterson.

Mr. Chairman, I happen to be from one riding in Nunavut, but I hope the Minister understands that my questions were directed about the Nunavut Arctic College and all its campuses including the Kitikmeot and the Keewatin.

Mr. Chairman, I understand the Minister's response to be that there's a corporate plan being developed and that there is a formula for the allocation of funding that is in place. I guess what I'm curious to know is when we come back here in February, will the new funding allocation formula be reflected in the O and M budget. My understanding is that the corporate plans are not concluded yet. So I agree that there should be long-term plans and that maybe, hopefully, we will continue to share programs into the long-term future. But I would like to know what's going to happen April 1, 1995. Will there be some adjustments if inequities have been identified through the new allocation formula? Will this result in some changes? I don't pretend to understand or recommend on what will be equitable, I've just cited some examples. The Minister mentioned a few more -- heavy equipment is another one. But I'm just wondering, will we start to see the results of this new formula in the new O and M budget. Thank you.

Thank you. Again, we are dealing with the capital estimates. Mr. Minister.

Thank you. No, what you're going to see initially is the whole issue of the split decision, because that's all we can deal with at this particular juncture. What we then have to move to is dealing with campuses, and then dealing with equity. Those are the three components to what we're trying to do.

Qujannamiik. Thank you. Total buildings and works. Mr. Patterson.

So, Mr. Chairman, is the Minister telling me that, even though we've set up new headquarters facilities for the new colleges with administrations that are now up and running, that the Nunavut Arctic College will simply inherit all of the existing programs and funding that are located in

Nunavut, without any change? I have a concern about whether that is fair. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Thank you. The honourable Member knows that even when we created boards of education, it didn't mean equity in the system existed. What we needed to do was split the various institutions and resources they had. Once that happened, we then dealt with general, basic services and then with the equity issue. I think that's the fairest way of approaching it. First of all, you haven't even approved the splitting of the college. We hadn't done that. So, in that sense, we haven't got to that point.

But, I can assure the honourable Member that one component that was also dealt with was the funding formula. I indicated to you that I would come back with a formula. It is now in place. It is going to be used in the future by Arctic College and, as we move along, I believe we'll be able to deal with the issue of appropriately resourcing the programs which are going to be in place, both in Nunavut and in the western territory.

One other component that shouldn't be overlooked is the idea of one college assuming a specific responsibility. Not all programs have to be in both places. One college can assume a responsibility in one area to ensure appropriate financial expenditures.

Qujannamiik. Total buildings and works. Mr. Patterson.

Mr. Chairman, I know this department is good at doing long-range planning. I would like to ask the Minister, assuming the Arctic College passes in this session -- and I know it is presumptuous to assume anything at this point -- what is the department's plan to implement the two new college administrations? What is the target date? Thank you.

Thank you. Minister of Education.

Thank you. What we need to do is first split the budgets, the way they are right now, then look at the issue of base services, deal with that, and hopefully soon after, deal with the equity issue. That all requires investment decisions, which is not part of the resourcing we can review in this budget.

Qujannamiik. Mr. Patterson.

Mr. Chairman, I'm very interested in the Minister's response. I guess I would like to respectfully suggest to him, isn't the best time to look at the equity issue when you're looking at the budgets? If you split the budgets first and look at the equity issue later, you have to claw back resources that may not be appropriately divided. As you pointed out, there may be a program in Nunatta that should also be offered in another location.

I would suggest that the logical time to deal with the equity issue is before you split the budgets, so the budgets are established on a fair basis. Rather than split them, assume there is an equitable allocation now and then try to fix it up

later when you have two colleges up and running. That would seem to be a much more difficult task. Thank you.

Thank you. Minister of Education.

I don't know how to answer the question because the honourable Member knows you can't divide it that way. It doesn't work like that. With great respect, it doesn't work that way. What you need is a plan of action, and we are trying to advise you about what the plan of action is.

Qujannamiik. Mr. Patterson.

Mr. Chairman, does the Minister foresee any new trades training capacity in place for the Nunavut Arctic College, whenever it is established in the new fiscal year? Is there a possibility that there could be even one or two of the eight PYs that are now in place given to at least start some trades training closer to home in the Kitikmeot, Baffin or the Keewatin? Use an existing shop, or whatever, but get some training going a little closer to home, along with the establishment of the new college. Thank you.

Qujannamiik. Mr. Minister.

I guess anything is possible, but the fact is, based on the way we're trying to make division and the way the structure is set up, we cannot do it immediately. I do see the potential and the opportunity for trades training in Nunavut. But, it's all a matter of planning. I'm sorry I can't pick up a magic wand and say, the infrastructure must change tomorrow. It doesn't work like that. But, I do agree with the honourable Member that we need to plan this out, with the view of ensuring there is that trades component in Nunavut.

Thank you. Total buildings and works. Mr. Patterson.

Mr. Chairman, it has been a long time since I've been in Cabinet and I have probably forgotten everything I knew, but it seems to me, from what I know of the process, that when legislation is passed and when the Minister goes to the Financial Management Board to set up the new budgets for the two new college administrations, there will be a transfer of funds from NWT Arctic College to Nunavut Arctic College and the western Arctic College, or whatever it is going to be named.

There will be two new budgets from one. I guess what I'm asking the Minister is, in setting up these new budgets, would he undertake -- recognizing that the long range corporate plans are not in place and recognizing that the infrastructure is not in place -- nonetheless to see if he could address the issue of equity in establishing those new budgets? Or, at least begin to address the issue of equity?

I think it is going to be easier to do it when you are dividing up the pie, rather than afterwards. I think it is going to be a lot easier to do it that way. With respect, I think the Minister may not have a magic wand, but he has some authority because he is going to be recommending those base budgets to the Financial Management Board. I just want to ensure there is some fairness when that is started up. Thank you.

Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I didn't think I was an unfair person. I always made the assumption that I was fairly fair and reasonable and that whatever decisions we were making were based on some sense of fairness. Now, the problem with the idea that everything must be equal -- and that's the concept that the honourable Member is proposing...If everything must be equal, then we have a problem. But on the matter of equity, I think we can move the process so that in the end there's some equity in the system. The problem you presently have is that there's infrastructure in place, there are people delivering programs and we have to maintain those at this particular juncture. But I can assure the honourable Member that the intention once we divide the dollars, based on the delivery of programs in place now, there will be two issues; one, infrastructure and, two, equity and programming. Those are the three components and they will be dealt with. The problem is that you can't do it immediately because of the way the structure is set up right now, but we will deal with it.

Qujannamiik. Mr. Patterson.

I'll leave this one, Mr. Chairman. I just want to make it clear I do have great faith that the Minister is going to be fair, that's why I'm appealing to him now to start exercising those powers before everything is said and done. I also want to make it clear that I understand that equity doesn't mean equality. I understand that full well. I'm not suggesting that there be a 50 per cent allocation of the resources. But I am suggesting that where there are anomalies that are obvious, now is the time to at least begin to make a move to correct those.

I know that the Fort Smith heavy equipment instructors make journeys to places like Lake Harbour and offer courses. I've heard great compliments to some of those people for the good work that they do. Maybe now is the time to say we're doing a lot of that anyway, maybe we can locate one of those people and keep up the good work. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. I think that the programs have developed in an ad hoc fashion over the years, and not necessarily with rhyme nor reason.

I'm just saying yes, I understand the full long-range plans are not in place, infrastructure is not in place, but if the Minister could look for these -- at least these apparent anomalies -- and use his good offices with his Cabinet colleagues and with the college board -- and I know they have a major role to play with this, although the Nunavut Arctic College board is still non-existent as I understand it, it's ready to be formed and I appreciate that the Minister has appointed new people to lay the foundation, but they're not in place now so I guess that's why this little, small voice here is saying could you do something now or start doing something now, please. Thank you.

Thank you. Total buildings and works, $4.348 million.

Agreed.

---Agreed

Thank you. Equipment acquisition, headquarters, total region, $75,000.

Agreed.

---Agreed

Thank you. Total equipment acquisition, $75,000.

Agreed.

---Agreed

Contributions. Total region, $385,000. Mr. Antoine.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This item deals with community museums contributions and historic buildings contributions. I'm concerned about this. I'd like to ask the Minister a question. I'm aware that there's a new heritage service policy in the territorial heritage building capital contribution schedule being developed. I would like to ask him if this policy and schedule have been developed, and if they're not developed, then when can we expect to see something like this? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Minister.

Thank you. Yes, Mr. Chairman, they've been done. I can provide the Member with a copy of the policies.

Thank you. Mr. Antoine.

On this historic buildings contribution, I just want to say that in my constituency, in Fort Simpson, there is a historical society that has been formed for a number of years, and has been locally involved having meetings and so forth. They're interested in saving some of the older buildings. There are a couple of older buildings in the community that were built back in the 1930s and 1940s with logs that were hewn by axe, with dovetail notches that were done with an axe, and some of these buildings are still there. There are two of them in Simpson that I'm aware of. Also, there's an old barn that was used by the experimental farm that's still there.

This heritage centre group would like to acquire land some place in the community and put these old buildings on it, so that the heritage of 1930s and 1940s could be saved. If they don't do that, these buildings will eventually rot, deteriorate and get destroyed, such as a lot of other good buildings were destroyed. This is the type of thing that communities are doing. I'm sure there are other communities that would like to save their historic buildings, such as churches and so forth that we've helped in the past. This is in line with it. These buildings were built by the local people back 50 or 60 years ago, and require saving.

Along with that, this group would also like to bring all the old equipment that's laying around up the river; such as, there was equipment there for doing farming in the old days that is still around that could be saved. People do contribute their time to sit together in a committee in a community to talk about these things which are very important to them. It's important to our history, as well. This historic buildings contribution is $60,000 for this year, and there's a community museums contribution of $175,000. I think these are good contributions, but the group in Simpson...I don't know whether they've applied. I know they have had a lot of meetings and have decided, and they're dealing in the communities on how to do this. If this government could support them and help them out in their endeavours so that they could save some of these historic buildings.

We're waiting for the policies and schedules. I know about three years ago, the Standing Committee on Finance noticed that in those days it seemed -- and maybe it's a coincidence -- that only in the Ministers' ridings, buildings of a museum nature were allocated. When we asked, there was no policy in place. So we asked for a policy and now a policy is in place along with schedules. I'm glad that the government is making a policy so that other places could have contributions go to them, not only to the Ministers' ridings. It's just a coincidence, perhaps, but that's the way it seemed at that time.

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I would just like to say, Mr. Chairman, that this is a good contribution. Too bad I don't see anything for my constituency in here. Hopefully, in the future, there will be something there. Mahsi.

Hear, hear.

Thank you. Contributions, headquarters, total region, $385,000. Mr. Dent.

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Thank you. Iqaluit, Norman Wells, Fort Smith and the Inuit Cultural Institute...Oh, mobile equipment? I thought you were talking about community museums. I just wanted to show there was nothing in my constituency.

Just one moment, and I'll give you the details. Thank you. There is no specific identification, apparently. What we do is transfer that to Arctic College and before we transfer, they determine the need and it is transferred as a contribution to the Arctic College board.

Qujannamiik. Mr. Dent.

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

That hasn't been determined yet. That is by application. I was giving you information about community museums, including Iqaluit, Norman Wells, Fort Smith and the Inuit Cultural Institute, before. For historic buildings, it depends on application to the department. That is the basis on which the policies are applicable, similar to Mr. Antoine's suggestions.

Qujannamiik. Mr. Dent.

Thank you. Minister of Education.

No, Mr. Chairman, I was looking at the $60,000 in the budget. Do you want previous year allocations?

Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake.

The honourable Minister.

Apparently, Mr. Chairman, that has not been allocated to date.

Thank you. Contributions, headquarters. Total region, $385,000.

Agreed.

---Agreed

Thank you. Fort Smith, total region, $427,000.

Agreed.

---Agreed

Thank you. Baffin, total region, $200,000. Agreed?

Agreed.

---Agreed

Thank you. Keewatin, total region, $300,000. Agreed?

Agreed.

---Agreed

Kitikmeot, total region, $150,000.

Agreed.

---Agreed

---Laughter

Mr. Ng, do you want the money?

---Laughter

Total contributions, $1.462 million.

Agreed.

---Agreed