Members Present
Mr. Allooloo, Mr. Antoine, Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq, Mr. Arvaluk, Mr. Ballantyne, Hon. Nellie Cournoyea, Mr. Dent, Mr. Gargan, Hon. Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Koe, Mr. Lewis, Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell, Hon. Rebecca Mike, Hon. Don Morin, Hon. Richard Nerysoo, Mr. Ng, Mr. Ningark, Mr. Patterson, Hon. John Pollard, Mr. Pudlat, Mr. Pudluk, Mr. Whitford, Mr. Zoe
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Good afternoon. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Madam Premier.
Minister's Statement 33-12(6): Minister's Absence From The House
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput
Thank you, Madam Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Honourable John Todd will be absent from the House for the remainder of the week to attend the Nunavut Tunngavik economic development conference in Rankin Inlet.
Madam Speaker, may I make another statement, please?
Minister's Statement 34-12(6): Appointments To The NWT Water Board
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput
Madam Speaker, Mr. D'arcy Arden and Mr. Glen Warner have served as members of the NWT Water Board since 1978. Their term of office expired on October 1st. Under the federal Northwest Territories Water Act, the Government of the Northwest Territories is responsible for nominating three members of the nine member board. Mr. Arden and Mr. Warner were two of the three members of the board nominated by the Government of the Northwest Territories.
The Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development recently asked me for advice with respect to the nomination of two members for appointment to that board. After seeking input from MLAs and Cabinet, I have recommended to Minister Irwin that Mr. Robert Hardisty of Fort Simpson and Mr. David Ittinuar of Rankin Inlet be appointed to the NWT Water Board to fill the vacancies created when Mr. Arden and Mr. Warner's terms expire on October 1, 1994.
At this time, I would like to acknowledge the significant role which Mr. Arden and Mr. Warner played in the management of the water resources here in the Northwest Territories. Their participation on the NWT Water Board has been invaluable and very much appreciated. I would also like to thank those Members of this House who provided me with advice respecting possible nominees as well as those individuals who kindly agreed to let their names stand for nomination.
Thank you, Madam Speaker.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 2, Minister's statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe, Mr. Morin.
Minister's Statement 35-12(6): Engineer And Architecture Program
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am pleased to announce that the introduction to the engineer and architecture program was a success this past summer. The program is a joint effort between the Departments of Transportation, Municipal and Community Affairs, Northwest Territories Housing Corporation and Public Works and Services, and encourages grade 10 and 11 students to consider university and technical school training in engineering and architecture.
This summer, 18 students from all the regions participated in a one-week orientation in Yellowknife and then returned to their home community for a five-week work assignment. Seven of the participants were aboriginal northerners and five were women. This program will continue next year. It is one way we are encouraging young people to stay in school, get trained and work in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
Minister's Statement 35-12(6): Engineer And Architecture Program
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave, Mr. Zoe.
Affirmative Action Policy
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, it has now been nine years since the Government of the Northwest Territories first put into place the native employment policy. The native employment policy was replaced in 1989 with a new policy, the affirmative action policy.
Madam Speaker, in 1989, the Special Committee on Northern Economy published a report entitled "The Government of the Northwest Territories Native Employment Policy: A Review and Assessment." One of the principle recommendations of this report was that the Government of the Northwest Territories conduct an evaluation of a native employment policy. Madam Speaker, this evaluation never took place.
The government, without evaluating the program, went ahead in 1989 and extended the principles of the old policy by including women, disabled persons and indigenous non-aboriginal people and renamed it the affirmative action policy.
Madam Speaker, over the past nine years, the territorial government has spent millions of dollars on affirmative action initiatives, with the primary goal of making the territorial public service competent and representative of the population it serves. In the context of the northern aboriginal population, this would mean a territorial public service made up of over 50 per cent aboriginal people.
Madam Speaker, after nine years of operation and millions of dollars of expenditure, the proportion of aboriginal people in the territorial public service is only about 35 per cent, a percentage increase of approximately five per cent over almost a decade. In terms of aboriginal people in management positions, the proportion is only about 12 per cent.
Madam Speaker, a full scale evaluation of the affirmative action program is long overdue. This evaluation should be carried out by a reputable, independent, third-party consulting firm. Mahsi.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Amittuq, Mr. Allooloo.
NWT Air Jet Service To Hall Beach
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Titus Allooloo Amittuq
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, the aviation industry will make history again this week with the inaugural flight of NWT Air's 737 jet service to Hall Beach. NWT Air flight 967 and 968 will be the first and only direct service linking Hall Beach to western Canada.
Tomorrow at about this time, Madam Speaker, the jet, which will have originated in Winnipeg, will be leaving Rankin Inlet and will be arriving in Hall Beach in the afternoon. The flight will then leave Hall Beach and return to Winnipeg via Rankin Inlet, arriving in Winnipeg tomorrow evening. Passengers from Edmonton and Yellowknife will also now be able to make same day connections to Hall Beach via Rankin Inlet.
Madam Speaker, this flight will benefit my constituents in several ways. Many of the people in Hall Beach have family members in Rankin Inlet and those people have expressed their appreciation for this improved service. The plane has larger access doors which means that, not only will freight be transportable to Hall Beach and more frequently, larger items such as cars and trucks can now be delivered to the community by air.
NWT Air recognizes Hall Beach as a strategic location, being at the geographical centre of Nunavut. Thanks to NWT Air and also to First Air, which operates flights from Hall Beach to Iqaluit and Taloyoak and Igloolik, Hall Beach now has convenient access to almost every community in Nunavut.
Madam Speaker, on behalf of my constituents, I would like to thank NWT Air for their past and continued commitment to the service of the people of the north. Thank you.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake, Mr. Dent.
Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, last week, the Minister of Health and Social Services responded to my question about a policy on mammography screening by saying, "A policy is not practical in an evolving field which may require rapid changes to medical practices."
Madam Speaker, it is distressing that the Minister's department seems not to have recognized that a growing number of jurisdictions are developing policies for mammography screening because the medical research proving the value of screening programs is, in fact, overwhelming.
Madam Speaker, broadly speaking, mammography has proven effective, particularly for women aged 50 to 69 and significantly reducing mortality. But only, Madam Speaker, where there is a policy which ensures uniform access to women. When there is a policy of providing the service in a coordinated, programmed manner for women without other symptoms of disease, more lives are saved in the most cost-effective manner.
Madam Speaker, the national workshop on the early detection of breast cancer has proposed that high quality screening be made available to all appropriately aged women throughout the country, including indigenous women and those living in rural areas through programs and dedicated screening sites. This recommendation has been taken seriously in other jurisdictions and, Madam Speaker, I think it is shameful that we, in the NWT, have not.
Madam Speaker, I will be posing further questions to the Minister of Health and Social Services this afternoon on this important issue during question period. Thank you.
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Mammography Screening In The Nwt
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Baffin South, Mr. Pudlat.
Funding For Arctic Winter Games
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Kenoayoak Pudlat Baffin South
(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise today to speak of the Arctic Winter Game trials and summer game trials. It is obvious that these games will continue in the future. Madam Speaker, I urge the government to find some more funding for these Arctic Winter Game and summer game trials that take place in communities. The smaller communities are not often able to raise their own funds for this. I urge the government to look into finding some more funding for this purpose. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
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Funding For Arctic Winter Games
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot.
The Passing Of Mr. John Nanegoak
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Madam Speaker. On last Wednesday, October 19th, three individuals left Umingmaktok by snowmobile to set fish nets on a lake approximately 30 miles from the community.
John Nanegoak and his niece, Carol Kiloadluk, were on a snowmobile and sled while Doug Stern travelled on his snowmobile. As both Mr. Nanegoak and Mr. Stern are well-seasoned veterans of on-the-land travel, they tested the ice thickness of lakes they travelled on throughout their trip.
After setting his net, Mr. Nanegoak and his niece left first to return to the community by following their same trail. Unfortunately, their trip ended tragically as they broke through the ice before making it back to the land.
It's with deep regret that I announce the passing of the well-respected elder, Mr. John Nanegoak, as a result of an accidental drowning.
Having met John Nanegoak in the early 1980s, I had the greatest respect for him as one of the few remaining individuals living a traditional lifestyle. He was one of the kindest, most carefree and unselfish individuals I have ever had the pleasure of knowing.
Mr. Nanegoak leaves behind a daughter, Jessie Hagialok of Bathurst Inlet; a son and daughter-in-law, Ikey and Helen Nanegoak of Cambridge Bay; two brothers, Tommy Maghagak also of Cambridge Bay and Charlie Keyok of Umingmaktok. He also leaves behind numerous grandchildren, great grandchildren, a great grandchild and dozens of other friends and relatives. My condolences to all family and friends of John Nanegoak on their tragic loss.
Mr. Nanegoak was born and raised in the Bathurst Inlet area and most recently was a resident of Umingmaktok. Many friends and family were brought from Cambridge Bay and Bathurst Inlet to attend the funeral service this past Saturday in Umingmaktok prior to shipping Mr. Nanegoak to his final resting place in Bathurst Inlet.
Madam Speaker, there is one positive side to this tragedy. The young girl, Carol Kiloadluk, was saved from drowning by Mr. Doug Stern, who risked his life by going out on the broken ice and into the water to rescue her, upon his discovering the mishap on his way home.
A lesson to all as a result of this unfortunate incident; that no matter how experienced you are with travelling on the land, always be extra cautious if you have to travel across ice.
Madam Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement, please.
The Passing Of Mr. John Nanegoak
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Ng.
The Passing Of Mr. John Nanegoak
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Madam Speaker, and honourable colleagues. Madam Speaker, on behalf of my constituents, the family and I, we wish to thank the Kitikmeot Divisional Board of Education, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, the Department of Health and Social Services, the Bathurst Inlet Lodge and Adlair Aviation for their financial assistance towards the aircraft charter cost for transporting friends and relatives to and from the funeral. Thank you.
The Passing Of Mr. John Nanegoak
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Lewis.
Moving Royal Oak Mine Headquarters
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Brian Lewis Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Madam Speaker. I want to talk briefly about a lady who is well-known to us; a lady named Peggy Witte, president of the Royal Oak mine. She is the former Peggy Kent, a Member of a prominent family of the small Nevada town of Falon and a graduate of the Mackay School of Mines.
She generated tremendous enthusiasm, during 1994, throughout the mining world, not just Canada and in the States. In fact, she was named by the Mining World News as woman of the year in 1994. Right from the very beginning, I know the lady generated passionate emotion, some for and some against, but I have always been concerned that when a company acquires properties in the Northwest Territories, that you have some sense that you belong to that part of the world. You should have some commitment to it.
So I am sad to say today, Madam Speaker, that despite all the good things that many people may have said about her, the fact that she has now moved the headquarters of Royal Oak from Vancouver to Seattle tells me where her heart really is. It is not in the Northwest Territories or Canada. To me, this is a sad story. We like people to pay their taxes where they make their money. I know that as a chief executive officer, you have an obligation to your shareholders, but you also need the goodwill of the people you have to work with. Many people have shown goodwill, despite tempestuous times in the Northwest Territories. It is a sad reflection on the state of the industry that this event has taken place, because there was much hope and expectation that this company would become an important part of our structure. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Iqaluit, Mr. Patterson.
Dedication Of Monument To Inuit Who Died From Tb
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, many of my constituents have been touched by the tuberculosis epidemic which hit the eastern Arctic in the 1950s. Many families lost parents, grandparents and children to TB. Many families lost track of those people. Large numbers of Inuit were sent for treatment to southern sanatoriums, all across southern Canada. One of those, which took TB patients from Baffin Island and Ungava in northern Quebec in the 1950s, was the Hamilton Mountain Sanatorium.
I am pleased to announce, Madam Speaker, that a dedicated group of northern and Hamilton residents, most notably, Mr. Chester Orzel, who for 24 years ran Woodland Cemetery in Hamilton, have developed plans for a monument to 36 Inuit who died there.
Recently, the city of Hamilton authorized the spending of $16,500 towards the cost of land and perpetual care for a monument, at Woodland Cemetery, to recognize these people who died and were buried so far away from home. The monument will record the names of the deceased in Inuktitut and English, their date of death and place of origin, as far as it is known, and will feature replicas of Inuit carvings, some of which will be commissioned especially for this memorial.
The city of Hamilton committed the funds estimated at about one-third of the total $50,000 cost of the monument, and perpetual care, on the understanding that their contribution would be matched by the Government of the Northwest Territories and the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs.
I will be asking the Minister of Health whether our government will be making a contribution towards this memorial to Inuit TB victims later today. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
Dedication Of Monument To Inuit Who Died From Tb
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu, Mr. Kakfwi.
Return To Question 183-12(6): Status Of H&ss Committee's Recommendation
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Madam Speaker, this is in response to a question asked by Mr. Dent on the 19th of October with regard to the status of the Health and Social Services' committee's recommendations.
Mr. Dent asked about the status of the Family Law Review report, with respect to the power of courts to make orders of exclusive possession of the family home for victims of violence. This recommendation was supported by the Department of Justice response in a report dated December 1993, and was distributed in the winter of 1994.
This specific recommendation will be incorporated as part of the section of the proposed Family Law Act dealing with the possession of the family home. The department is currently in the process of drafting this act, and we expect to be able to table the bill for consultation purposes during the life of this government. Thank you.
Return To Question 183-12(6): Status Of H&ss Committee's Recommendation
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Sorry, Mr. Kakfwi, did you have another return?
Return To Question 183-12(6): Status Of H&ss Committee's Recommendation
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Return To Question 183-12(6): Status Of H&ss Committee's Recommendation
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to return to Ministers' statements. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Proceed, Mr. Kakfwi.
Minister's Statement 36-12(6): United Nations Day
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Thank you. Madam Speaker, today is United Nations Day and the start of the fifth anniversary of the founding of the United Nations. In Ottawa today, the Prime Minister is participating in an official launch of the anniversary year by delivering a speech which will be the first in a series in the coming year by world leaders on their vision for the future of the United Nations.
The United Nations merged at the end of the Second World War as an institution primarily concerned with international peace and security. Today this organization comprises of 184 member countries, has a much broader mandate including health, education, the environment, international development, human rights and disarmament.
In the coming year, there will be an intensified effort by organizations and governments in Canada to get Canadians thinking about the United Nations. In May 1993, a Canadian committee for the 50th anniversary was struck by the United Nations Association in Canada and the Department of Foreign Affairs to help focus this effort, in the period between October 1994 and December 1995. This committee has been working with federal, provincial, territorial and municipal governments and with the private sector to help deliver a series of high-profile activities over the course of the year which will help Canadians reflect on United Nations' achievements over the past 50 years and to get them thinking about ways to reform the United Nations. The committee is also encouraging the participation of community groups, including schools, youth organizations, associations, churches and women's and multicultural groups.
Madam Speaker, I believe that northerners will want to initiate or get involved in activities in the coming year, and consider the ways in which the United Nations has or can affect their lives in this part of the world, generally. Many aboriginal organizations, for example, have been active in international activities associated with the United Nations in areas such as health, environment, human rights and self-determination, and can share their experiences through the sorts of activities planned for the 50th anniversary year. Thank you.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for North Slave, Mr. Zoe.
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I would like to recognize a former dental therapist who served in a number of communities across the Northwest Territories, Mrs. Brenda Flack who is in the gallery; her son, Nikia and husband Murray, are visiting Rae-Edzo and Yellowknife. I would like to welcome them to Yellowknife and to the chamber. Mahsi.
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Baffin South, Mr. Pudlat.
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Kenoayoak Pudlat Baffin South
(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I want to introduce to the Assembly some visitors originally from my constituency. Constable Jimmy Akavak, his wife Mary Hanson Akavak, and daughters Naiomi, Emily and Julie. Constable Akavak whose father and grandfather were RCMP constables, has just been transferred to the Yellowknife RCMP detachment from Iqaluit. Welcome. Thank you.
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Iqaluit, Mr. Patterson.
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
I, too, would like to recognize Mr. and Mrs. Akavak, former constituents of mine. I would like to welcome them here. And also, Ms. Dolly Zoe, wife of the honourable Member for North Slave. Thank you.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake, Mr. Dent.
Question 225-12(6): Mammography Screening Policy
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services. Madam Speaker, the Minister has said that the government is not planning to develop a mammography screening policy. A major reason for putting a policy in place is to ensure targets are set for reaching a high percentage of women who could benefit from such screening. My question is, is the Minister aware that seven provinces and the Yukon have, in the past few years, instituted organized screening programs?
Question 225-12(6): Mammography Screening Policy
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Health, Madam Premier.
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput
Madam Speaker, I am aware that some provincial jurisdictions and the Yukon have conducted screening in their areas. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Dent.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister. Madam Speaker, starting in 1990, preventative health services division of the federal Department of Health, has held twice-yearly national workshops where participants discuss breast screening programs. The federal government even picked up the cost for participants' travel and accommodation.
Madam Speaker, since we're not participating in these discussions, can Members be assured by the Minister that we have more qualified people in our Department of Health than in other jurisdictions?
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Minister of Health, Madam Premier.
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput
Madam Speaker, since I'm unaware of the qualifications of other jurisdictions, I couldn't given an answer, so I don't know, Madam Speaker.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Dent.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, this government has missed another opportunity. The Department of Health did not send a representative or a representative team to the national forum on breast cancer. And I think it was particularly disturbing that nobody was sent to discuss prevention and screening. The sole NWT representative went in the survivor classification. My question, Madam Speaker, is has the Minister read the final report on the national forum on breast cancer?
Supplementary To Question 225-12(6): Mammography Screening Policy
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Health and Social Services, Madam Premier.
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput
Madam Speaker, I will again say that mammography screening is offered every one to two years to women aged 50 to 59 in the Northwest Territories. According to information gathered from various publications and what other jurisdictions are doing, this is the only age group for which there is good and compelling scientific evidence that routine screening, coupled with clinical breast examination, can actually reduce mortality from 33 per cent from breast cancer. These guidelines have been endorsed by a growing number of authoritative bodies across the world. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Dent.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Premier didn't answer whether or not she had read the final report of the national forum on breast cancer, which was my actual question. My final supplementary will be, why is this government not taking advantage of an opportunity to share the knowledge and experience of others across Canada, especially when it would not have cost anything for this
government to do so? Why have we failed to take advantage of an opportunity to learn something for nothing?
Supplementary To Question 225-12(6): Mammography Screening Policy
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Minister of Health and Social Services, Madam Premier.
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput
Madam Speaker, I'm not informed of every meeting and every course available in specific areas. Perhaps the department and the Stanton Yellowknife Hospital board have gained the information in other ways. Madam Speaker, I don't know if I can say there were missed opportunities. As for the report, I read several of them. I'm a female and I'm sort of in the danger category myself, so I read many publications about this topic. But, I don't know whether I have read that particular report or not.
Madam Speaker, I would provide extra information to the Member in areas where the department, the Stanton Hospital or the health system has gained knowledge, if it is not through the meeting schedule that has been set up that he refers to. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for North Slave, Mr. Zoe.
Question 226-12(6): Evaluation Of Affirmative Action Policy
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to pose my question to the Minister of Personnel. I would like to ask the Minister of Personnel if there are any plans to undertake an evaluation of the affirmative action program.
Question 226-12(6): Evaluation Of Affirmative Action Policy
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Personnel, Ms. Mike.
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Rebecca Mike Baffin Central
Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Minister who knows about this is Mr. Pollard. Thank you.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Minister of Finance, Mr. Pollard.
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John Pollard Hay River
Thank you, Madam Speaker, good afternoon. Madam Speaker, I've addressed this Assembly before about the issue of management of the public service. Obviously, the affirmative action policy plays a part in that. We are presently looking at the development and the retention of our human resources. It is ironic that Mr. Zoe would ask me the question today, because today at 1:00 pm in the Explorer Hotel in the Melville Room, consultations started with aboriginal leaders in the Northwest Territories and our staff about the review of the affirmation action policy and how it should be conducted in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe.
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Thank you, Madam Speaker. My supplementary to the same Minister, I would like to ask, is the department going to involve an independent third party to do this evaluation? I understand from the comments that the Minister has made that they are consulting with aboriginal groups. I'm not too sure about the purpose of that. My question is, shouldn't an evaluation take place prior to consulting with aboriginal leaders?
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Minister responsible for Finance, Mr. Pollard.
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John Pollard Hay River
Madam Speaker, the purpose of the meeting today is to solicit from various people across the Northwest Territories some input into how they feel a review should be conducted, and what their feelings are about it. So, from those people, from the information we gather from them today, we will decide how to address the next step of the affirmation action policy review. I have an open mind, and I will take their suggestions today, Madam Speaker. Thank you.
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Question 226-12(6): Evaluation Of Affirmative Action Policy
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe.
Supplementary To Question 226-12(6): Evaluation Of Affirmative Action Policy
Question 226-12(6): Evaluation Of Affirmative Action Policy
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Supplementary, Madam Speaker. Could I ask the honourable Member to explain to the House the participants from the aboriginal groups who are participating this afternoon? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 226-12(6): Evaluation Of Affirmative Action Policy
Question 226-12(6): Evaluation Of Affirmative Action Policy
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Finance, Mr. Pollard.
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Question 226-12(6): Evaluation Of Affirmative Action Policy
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John Pollard Hay River
Madam Speaker, I'll table the original invitation list and I'll also table information, as soon as I find out, about how many people showed up and made presentations, or mailed in presentations and submissions to us, later on this week. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
Further Return To Question 226-12(6): Evaluation Of Affirmative Action Policy
Question 226-12(6): Evaluation Of Affirmative Action Policy
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Zoe.
Supplementary To Question 226-12(6): Evaluation Of Affirmative Action Policy
Question 226-12(6): Evaluation Of Affirmative Action Policy
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Madam Speaker, I wonder if the Minister would entertain the idea of undertaking an independent evaluation of the affirmative action policy. If so, would it not be wise to use this round table group, that the Minister made reference to, to put together the terms of reference for the evaluation, to put out a call for proposals, to choose a reputable consulting firm to undertake this evaluation, and, with the results of this evaluation in hand, undertake a community consultation
process? I wonder if the Minister would entertain this idea? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 226-12(6): Evaluation Of Affirmative Action Policy
Question 226-12(6): Evaluation Of Affirmative Action Policy
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Finance, Mr. Pollard.
Further Return To Question 226-12(6): Evaluation Of Affirmative Action Policy
Question 226-12(6): Evaluation Of Affirmative Action Policy
Item 6: Oral Questions
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John Pollard Hay River
Madam Speaker, the focus today is on the format and scheduling of a consultative process in the Northwest Territories. I will await the recommendations made by the group today and then bring back to the House what the proposals are and how they should be handled, Madam Speaker. Thank you.
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Question 226-12(6): Evaluation Of Affirmative Action Policy
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Lewis.
Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Brian Lewis Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice. Since corrections is no longer part of Social Services and is no longer a social program and, in light of the comments made last week by the Minister on community justice, is consideration being given, in the proposal to do more work locally, to privatizing some of these functions?
Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Justice, Mr. Kakfwi.
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Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Madam Speaker, there is some consideration being given to contracting for services, yes. Thank you.
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Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Lewis.
Supplementary To Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
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Brian Lewis Yellowknife Centre
Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. I guess people who break the law can be considered a renewable resource. I hope it will not be a growth industry, however. My question to the Minister is, if you are considering this, have your officials examined where privatizing of corrections has happened elsewhere in this country?
Supplementary To Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Justice, Mr. Kakfwi.
Further Return To Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Madam Speaker, when I said earlier that we are considering contracting for services, I was speaking specifically about the move we should make in the next year to building community-based correctional facilities that we think should be owned, but definitely staffed and managed by communities. So there would be no government employees staffing such a facility.
Aside from that, at this time, there is no serious consideration given to privatizing the territorial facilities that we have presently. Thank you.
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Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Lewis.
Supplementary To Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
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Brian Lewis Yellowknife Centre
Since the Minister did talk about owning facilities, is it expected that any proponent to provide this service locally will have to come up with the capital funds to build that facility?
Supplementary To Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Justice, Mr. Kakfwi.
Further Return To Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Madam Speaker, the thinking at this time is we think there are suitable conditions and environments in which to begin discussions with a community in a region that requires a community-based correctional facility. It would be built using territorial government capital money. We would also be interested in looking at groups providing the capital and perhaps leasing to us on a long-term basis. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Lewis.
Supplementary To Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
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Brian Lewis Yellowknife Centre
I would like the Minister to confirm then that the government will consider giving capital funds to a private organization that is in the business of doing business.
Supplementary To Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Minister of Justice, Mr. Kakfwi.
Further Return To Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Madam Speaker, I am not certain what the Member is suggesting. We can do what we practice presently. When we need a facility, we either build it ourselves or else we enter into a long-term lease with someone who has the capital and is willing to build it to our specifications. Those are the two options that we have at this time. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
Question 227-12(6): Privatization Of Community Corrections Programs
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North, Mr. Ballantyne.
Question 228-12(6): Extra Revenues Generated By High Water Levels
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Michael Ballantyne Yellowknife North
Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation. Madam Speaker, it seems that there was a large unanticipated surplus generated by the Snare power system because of high water levels from the time the GNWT took over the Power Corporation to the time of low-water levels in 1994. That surplus, I understand, is about $7 million and was used to keep down power costs throughout the territories. My question to the Minister is, did the Power Corporation inform the Minister
that the Snare system had generated an extra $7 million because of high water levels which were spent throughout the whole territories, at the same time they informed the Minister that they were going to try to recover the full $4.8 million in this year caused by low levels? They were going to try to recover that from the Snare system alone.
Question 228-12(6): Extra Revenues Generated By High Water Levels
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister responsible for the Power Corporation, Madam Premier.
Question 228-12(6): Extra Revenues Generated By High Water Levels
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput
Madam Speaker, there are three or four questions in that one question, so I will take it as notice. Thank you.
Question 228-12(6): Extra Revenues Generated By High Water Levels
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit, Mr. Patterson.
Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to thank the honourable Members in this House who complimented me on my haircut. I am very grateful.
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Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Health, Madam Premier.
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Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput
Thank you, Madam Speaker. As we did in St. Albert, when they had a monument put up there for the patients who were buried there, the Government of the Northwest Territories or the Department of Health will be making a contribution to this new monument the Member is referring to. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
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Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. The honourable Member for Iqaluit, Mr. Patterson, supplementary.
Supplementary To Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Health if she is willing to say how much the government would be prepared to contribute towards this monument? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Health, Madam Premier.
Further Return To Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput
Madam Speaker, the contribution is for $5,000.
Further Return To Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson.
Supplementary To Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am sure that contribution will be appreciated, Madam Speaker. But I would like to ask the Minister of Health, since the amount of $5,000, announced by the Minister, is considerably less than the one-third share of $16,500 the city of Hamilton is expecting from the GNWT, would the Minister be willing to use her good offices to encourage other organizations, including corporations to help make up the shortfall, so this monument can go ahead. Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Health, Madam Premier.
Further Return To Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput
Madam Speaker, if the Member wants to talk about the issue and I can be of any help, I will be pleased to take whatever action is necessary. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
Further Return To Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
Question 229-12(6): Contribution For Monument For Inuit Tb Victims
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for North Slave, Mr. Zoe.
Question 230-12(6): Tb Outbreak In Rae-edzo
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am glad my colleague from Iqaluit is speaking to a very important issue; that is the seriousness of TB. My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services. I just learned, Madam Speaker, that we have again a TB outbreak in the community of Rae-Edzo. My question to the Minister is what her department and the Mackenzie regional health board are doing to combat this very serious disease. Thank you.
Question 230-12(6): Tb Outbreak In Rae-edzo
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Health, Madam Premier.
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Question 230-12(6): Tb Outbreak In Rae-edzo
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput
Madam Speaker, on the issue of tuberculosis in Rae, the Mackenzie regional health staff are now insisting that all prescribed medicine be taken under observation for six to nine months. The whole population of the area is targeted for tuberculosis screening. As well, there are some issues in terms of the social conditions of these communities in trying to identify these areas which can be corrected. They are creating a presence and spreading of tuberculosis. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
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Question 230-12(6): Tb Outbreak In Rae-edzo
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe.
Supplementary To Question 230-12(6): Tb Outbreak In Rae-edzo
Question 230-12(6): Tb Outbreak In Rae-edzo
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Henry Zoe North Slave
I would like to ask the Minister if the department or the Mackenzie Regional Health Services are providing additional resources in the community of Rae-Edzo, in terms of human or monetary resources.
Supplementary To Question 230-12(6): Tb Outbreak In Rae-edzo
Question 230-12(6): Tb Outbreak In Rae-edzo
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Health, Madam Premier.
Supplementary To Question 230-12(6): Tb Outbreak In Rae-edzo
Question 230-12(6): Tb Outbreak In Rae-edzo
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput
Madam Speaker, I will have to take that question as notice.
Supplementary To Question 230-12(6): Tb Outbreak In Rae-edzo
Question 230-12(6): Tb Outbreak In Rae-edzo
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot, Mr. Ningark.
Question 231-12(6): Plans For Gjoa Haven Elders' Facility
Item 6: Oral Questions
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John Ningark Natilikmiot
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services, who is also the Premier of the government. Last week, Mr. Ng, my colleague from Kitikmeot, and I made a statement regarding the lack of facilities for elders in the Kitikmeot. In fact, there is no facility in the Kitikmeot region for elders. My question to the honourable Minister, Madam Speaker, is what is the honourable Minister planning in making the elders' home a reality for Gjoa Haven this year? Thank you.
Question 231-12(6): Plans For Gjoa Haven Elders' Facility
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Social Services, Madam Premier.
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Question 231-12(6): Plans For Gjoa Haven Elders' Facility
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput
Madam Speaker, as a result of the issues in the Kitikmeot region, both myself and the honourable Minister responsible for Housing have met along with our officials to see what could be done in the short term and in the long term in addressing the issue of the facility at Gjoa Haven, as well as Cambridge Bay and Coppermine. We're trying to find out just how we can accomplish that. There will also be a meeting with the community of Gjoa Haven to further identify just exactly what the needs are in terms of the kind of housing requirements that community has. So once we've addressed that, we'll try to make every effort to have a positive response to the needs, particularly in Gjoa Haven, then addressing Coppermine and Cambridge subsequently. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
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Question 231-12(6): Plans For Gjoa Haven Elders' Facility
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark.
Supplementary To Question 231-12(6): Plans For Gjoa Haven Elders' Facility
Question 231-12(6): Plans For Gjoa Haven Elders' Facility
Item 6: Oral Questions
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John Ningark Natilikmiot
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, supplementary to the same Minister. Is the honourable Minister aware of the fact that the community wants an elders' facility rather than home care? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 231-12(6): Plans For Gjoa Haven Elders' Facility
Question 231-12(6): Plans For Gjoa Haven Elders' Facility
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Social Services, Madam Premier.
Further Return To Question 231-12(6): Plans For Gjoa Haven Elders' Facility
Question 231-12(6): Plans For Gjoa Haven Elders' Facility
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput
Madam Speaker, I'm well aware. The message has become loud and clear that the community is very much wanting to have a facility built in Gjoa Haven. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
Further Return To Question 231-12(6): Plans For Gjoa Haven Elders' Facility
Question 231-12(6): Plans For Gjoa Haven Elders' Facility
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit, Mr. Patterson.
Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Finance about O and M budget preparation for the 1995-96 O and M budget. Madam Speaker, I've heard -- and this may not be reliable, but -- that the Minister of Finance and his officials have taken the approach with departments of asking departments to identify across-the-board restraint measures for the 1995-96 budgets of their departments now under preparation. I would like to ask the Minister if this across-the-board cut approach is indeed being taken by the Minister in preparing the O and M budget for 1995-96. Thank you.
Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Minister of Finance, Mr. Pollard.
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Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
Item 6: Oral Questions
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John Pollard Hay River
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, across-the-board cuts sort of indicate 10 per cent or five per cent right off the top. That wasn't the approach that FMB decided to take. The Financial Management Board decided to form envelope committees where Ministers and deputy ministers were meeting together. They made up different envelopes. There were three envelope committees, and each department was looked at and presentations were made with regard to areas that could be cut back, areas that could not be touched, et cetera. So each of the budgets were combed in that fashion, and reports were made to the FMB and FMB took those particular reports and recommendations into consideration. The Financial Management Board then met in camera and discussed all the recommendations that were made and, eventually, last week a budget was arrived at, Madam Speaker. Thank you.
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Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson.
Supplementary To Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Thank you, Madam Speaker. So, do I take it from the response of the Minister, Madam Speaker, that the across-the-board cuts departmentally that have been employed in the past to achieve financial restraint, that method will not be followed in the budget development process for 1995-96, and, instead, there's a more selective approach being taken for financial restraint? Is that how the new process is working, Madam Speaker? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Minister of Finance, Mr. Pollard.
Further Return To Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
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John Pollard Hay River
Madam Speaker, each envelope committee knew that they had to arrive at a particular percentage, but when it came down to department by department, the Member is correct; there was much more selective...It was done on the basis of an impact that a certain adjustment in budgets would make in a particular area. So it wasn't just a blanket across-the-board shotgun type of approach; it was done in a selective manner, Madam Speaker. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson.
Supplementary To Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I think the Minister of Finance has undoubtedly heard the clear concern of the Standing Committee on Finance and of Members on this side of the House that the social issues are important. Just last Friday, Members of this House unanimously approved a motion to finally do something about the wages of shelter care workers. I would like to ask the Minister of Finance, since the budget development process is geared to identifying priorities in developing the coming year's budget, are social issues one of the priorities that the Minister of Finance will bear in mind in developing the budget for the 1995-96 O and M main estimates? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Minister of Finance, Mr. Pollard.
Further Return To Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
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John Pollard Hay River
Madam Speaker, as you speak to people across the Northwest Territories, priorities change, depending on the group, the environment, the location and the topic of the day. When Cabinet meets as the Financial Management Board they try to look at all those areas. So, we're cognizant of the suggestions made to us by ordinary Members, and the Standing Committee on Finance in particular, with regard to social programs. Yes, that was in our minds when we made our decisions, Madam Speaker. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
Question 232-12(6): Approach Taken In 1995-96 O And M Budget Preparations
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot, Mr. Ng.
Question 233-12(6): Status Of Reviewing Change Of Name Procedures
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice. It's regarding the change of name procedures. After the issue was raised during the last session, he recognized a need to simplify the procedure, making it easier for people to correct the spelling of their names or to change their names. I would like to ask the Minister what the status is of any changes that might be coming in the department towards that. Thank you.
Question 233-12(6): Status Of Reviewing Change Of Name Procedures
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Justice, Mr. Kakfwi.
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Question 233-12(6): Status Of Reviewing Change Of Name Procedures
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Madam Speaker, the legislation for that particular item of business should be coming forward in the next while. There will be an announcement about it. Thank you.
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Question 233-12(6): Status Of Reviewing Change Of Name Procedures
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ng.
Supplementary To Question 233-12(6): Status Of Reviewing Change Of Name Procedures
Question 233-12(6): Status Of Reviewing Change Of Name Procedures
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Supplementary. I would like to ask the Minister, will that legislative proposal that comes forward remove the requirement for having lawyers to perform change of names? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 233-12(6): Status Of Reviewing Change Of Name Procedures
Question 233-12(6): Status Of Reviewing Change Of Name Procedures
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Justice, Mr. Kakfwi.
Further Return To Question 233-12(6): Status Of Reviewing Change Of Name Procedures
Question 233-12(6): Status Of Reviewing Change Of Name Procedures
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Yes, Madam Speaker, the Member is aware that presently for change of name, it has to be done through application to the Supreme Court of the Northwest Territories. We are working to simplify the process so it can be done, perhaps regionally, perhaps even locally. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 233-12(6): Status Of Reviewing Change Of Name Procedures
Question 233-12(6): Status Of Reviewing Change Of Name Procedures
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ng.
Supplementary To Question 233-12(6): Status Of Reviewing Change Of Name Procedures
Question 233-12(6): Status Of Reviewing Change Of Name Procedures
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Supplementary. I would like to ask the Minister then, will there be any fees attached to change of names and, if there are will they be minimal fees? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 233-12(6): Status Of Reviewing Change Of Name Procedures
Question 233-12(6): Status Of Reviewing Change Of Name Procedures
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Justice, Mr. Kakfwi.
Further Return To Question 233-12(6): Status Of Reviewing Change Of Name Procedures
Question 233-12(6): Status Of Reviewing Change Of Name Procedures
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Madam Speaker, the people who are largely responsible for signing names and changing names in the Northwest Territories, amongst aboriginal people at least in the western Arctic, are the Hudson Bay Company, the Anglican church and the Catholic church. These institutions took great liberties with people's names, last names. If anything, the fee should be paid by these people for correcting a lot of the names that have been changed frivolously over the last few generations.
It is the intent of the legislation, for the Member's information, to make it simple so that people in the small communities and in the outlying regions can have easy access to the process of changing their names, but also to make it cheaper; not only for this government, but for the applicant as well. Thank you.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit, Mr. Patterson.
Question 234-12(6): Tracking Of Tobacco Tax Revenues
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Finance. Madam Speaker, when this House was considering the reductions in the federal tobacco tax during last winter's budget session, the Minister of Finance recommended to the Legislature that the NWT should not reduce its tobacco tax and should retain its previous levels of taxation on tobacco because our government needed the revenue.
I would like to ask the Finance Minister -- since only the other day I received another flyer urging me to buy tax-free cigarettes from a southern location at a 1-800 number, no questions asked -- if he's been tracking tobacco tax revenues since those measures were accepted by this House, including a measure to collect NWT tobacco tax. Have our tobacco tax revenues kept up, as the Minister had hoped? Thank you.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Minister of Finance, Mr. Pollard.
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John Pollard Hay River
Yes, they have, Madam Speaker. Thank you.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson.
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Madam Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister if they've kept up with previous years' levels, does that mean more people are smoking or does it mean the same number of people are continuing to pay the territorial tax? Thank you.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Minister of Finance, Mr. Pollard.
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John Pollard Hay River
Madam Speaker, I wish I could say to the House that less people are smoking in the Northwest Territories because, as you know, the Minister of Health of the day was also saying that high prices tend to stop people from smoking as much. But, it would appear that smoking is at the same level in the Northwest Territories as it was before. I think you are seeing the same kind of trend in the rest of Canada; that smoking is not on the decline as it was some years ago. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson.
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, when this issue was under discussion, some of my constituents who are merchants who sell tobacco predicted that, particularly in Iqaluit, northern tobacco sales would be eroded as smuggling and other means of purchasing cheap tobacco from Quebec and Ontario would be pursued by residents of my constituency, including food orders and direct mail campaigns.
The Minister said the tobacco tax revenues are holding. Has he had a chance to look at the trend in Iqaluit and the eastern Arctic which have ready access to cheap tobacco in Quebec; tax-free tobacco? Thank you.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Finance, Mr. Pollard.
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John Pollard Hay River
Madam Speaker, there have been illegal tobacco products detected in Iqaluit. I believe that matter will soon be before the courts. There was another incident in Norman Wells, where Alberta and ourselves discovered somebody who was bringing in tobacco, and that will go before the courts shortly. I'm not saying that there haven't been any incidents of smuggling in the Northwest Territories. There certainly have been two that we've been able to catch.
With regard to direct mail, we are discussing with Canada Post this week whether it is legal to put those flyers into mailboxes because they had told us they weren't going to do that. We will try to get that matter straightened away.
Two weeks ago at the Ministers of Finance meeting, the western Finance Ministers got together to discuss the issue of Manitoba who is sort of right on the front line, as Iqaluit is, with regard to being next to jurisdictions where there are lower tobacco taxes. Manitoba is not seeing any erosion of their market either, and they attribute that to the fact that most Canadians are honest people and they are not interested in smuggling. I think that is the case in the Northwest Territories as well, Madam Speaker.
Madam Speaker, I am aware of an incident in Iqaluit where there is a business person who believes they are seeing lower sales; whereas, our records indicate the same, if not greater, supplies going to that particular merchant. We are trying to work out that problem, to see where this discrepancy is occurring. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Patterson.
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Madam Speaker, I am going to send the Minister of Finance the flyer I got in my mailbox which gives a 1-800 number and offers sale prices on Canadian name brand
cigarettes. I would like to ask the Minister, if such information about such solicitations -- which makes no mention of paying territorial taxes -- is provided to the Minister, as I'm going to do today, does the Department of Finance have the capability of investigating these people and, in cooperation with whatever jurisdiction it is where this offer is coming from, preventing these people from selling directly to our residents without paying territorial tax? Will he act on such information? Thank you.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Minister of Finance, Mr. Pollard.
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John Pollard Hay River
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I'm not sure what flyer Mr. Patterson has in his possession, but if it's the same one we had last week, then we're already acting upon it. But, I would like to get a copy of the flyer. I think it is on its way to me. Rest assured, the Department of Finance will do whatever it can to follow this issue up and to prevent it happening in the future, if we can. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
May I remind honourable Members that when they are going to discuss an issue that is not known to the House, that the normal procedure is to table documents and then question accordingly. Item 6, oral question. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot, Mr. Ningark.
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John Ningark Natilikmiot
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services. Madam Speaker, historically speaking, there are some elders in the NWT -- mostly native people -- who have been eligible to receive old age pensions, even today, and who are not receiving them because of incorrect records. When the missionaries, the RCMP and the federal government came, some of these people were still living in outpost camps.
I know people in my area today who are not receiving a pension, due to incorrect records. My question to the honourable Minister is, would the honourable Minister direct her regional staff or community staff to go into the communities and enquire who in the communities are old enough to receive old age pensions and who are not receiving them? Thank you.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Minister of Health and Social Services, Madam Premier.
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput
Madam Speaker, thank you for the question. I really feel this is an area that has been addressed. I have already asked the regional directors if, somehow or another, we can be more accommodating at the community level by giving some of the responsibility to the liaison field officers who are operating in the community. My understanding is that the social workers have done some of the necessary documentation to get enough of a record, so that elders can be registered and recognized. So, Madam Speaker, I will check again and see if we are progressing as well as I had hoped they would by this time. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Item 7, written questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot, Mr. Ng.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice and the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs.
As by-law officers carry out a number of municipal enforcement functions in our communities which affect all of our constituents; would the Ministers responsible for the departments of Justice and Municipal and Community Affairs please advise this House of the following:
1. What NWT statutes, regulations or policies are by-law officers authorized to enforce?
2. What legal protection over and above that of an ordinary citizen is afforded by-law officers in NWT municipalities under:
(a) the Criminal Code of Canada; and,
(b) any NWT statutes, regulations or policies?
Thank you.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 7, written questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake, Mr. Dent.
Written Question 15-12(6): Percentage Of Women Receiving Mammography Screening In Nwt
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services.
Would the Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services please advise this House of the following:
What percentage of women, resident in the NWT, aged 50 to 69 received a mammography screening in the years:
1.1991-92;
2.1992-93; and,
3.1993-94.
What percentage should expect to receive such screening in the current year?
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 7, written questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit, Mr. Patterson.
Written Question 16-12(6): Number Of GNWT Employees Eligible For Hardship Allowance
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Thank you, Madam Speaker. My written question is to the Minister of Personnel.
Would the Minister of Personnel please provide this House with a list of the number of GNWT employees presently in staff housing who are now eligible for the so-called "hardship allowance" for rent subsidy compared to the total number of GNWT employees resident in staff housing? Thank you.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. The honourable Member for Deh Cho, Mr. Gargan.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Report On Bill 15
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
Madam Speaker, I wish to report to the Assembly that the Standing Committee on Legislation has reviewed Bill 15, An Act to Amend the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, and wishes to report that Bill 15 is now ready for committee of the whole.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Pursuant to rule 17(5), Bill 15 is ordered into committee of the whole. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 13, tabling of documents. The honourable Member for Iqaluit, Mr. Patterson.
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I wish to table Tabled Document 39-12(6), a mail order flyer announcing sale prices on cigarettes. Thank you.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Item 13, tabling of documents. Item 14, notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 16, motions. Item 17, first reading of bills. Item 18, second reading of bills. Item 19, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters: Tabled Document 14-12(6), "Open For Business" Privatizing the Northwest Territories Power Corporation; Tabled Document 23-12(6), Report of the 1993-94 Electoral District Boundaries Commission Northwest Territories; Minister's Statement 11-12(6), Return to Session; Committee Report 6-12(6), Report on the Review of Bill 3 - Guardianship and Trusteeship Act; Committee Report 10-12(6), Report on the Review of the 1995-96 Capital Estimates; Committee Report 11-12(6), Report on the First Annual Report (1992-93) of the Languages Commissioner of the NWT; Bill 1, Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1995-96; Bill 2, Aboriginal Custom Adoption Recognition Act; Bill 3, Guardianship and Trusteeship Act; Bill 7, An Act to Amend the Arctic College Act; Bill 8, An Act to Amend the Public Utilities Act, with Mr. Ningark in the chair.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. The committee will come to order. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Dent.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to recommend the committee consider Committee Report 6-12(6) and then Bill 3.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Do we have the concurrence of the committee that we will deal with Committee Report 6-12(6) and then Bill 3?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
---Agreed
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. We will proceed with Committee Report 6-12(6). Mr. Gargan.
Committee Report 6-12(6): Report On The Review Of Bill 3 - Guardianship And Trusteeship Act
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
Mr. Chairman, the Standing Committee on Legislation has completed its review of Bill 3, Guardianship and Trusteeship Act. The committee held public hearings in May 1994 in Fort Smith, Iqaluit and Yellowknife, and received four presentations on this bill, which offered opposing views of the proposed legislation.
The need for legislation to protect "dependent adults" in the Northwest Territories was identified by Social Services field staff in the early 1980s. Following extensive consultation with northerners and experts in the field, and based on new dependent adult legislation in other parts of Canada, the Guardianship and Trusteeship Act was developed.
During the public hearings, the committee heard from Anne Crawford, Lynn Hirschman, the Yellowknife Association of Community Living and the Aven Seniors' Centre. The opinions expressed ranged from complete support for the bill to eliminating the legislation entirely. Their views are presented in more detail in the committee's report on the review of Bill 3, Guardianship and Trusteeship Act.
In an effort to address these concerns and compare the bill with new legislation elsewhere, the committee conducted an extensive survey of other Canadian jurisdictions. It is apparent to the committee that Bill 3 is firmly based on the accepted principles of providing, where necessary, for the care of the represented person in the least restrictive manner possible, and only where that care is of substantial benefit to, and in the best interests of, the individual. In addition, this bill encourages, wherever possible, the involvement of the represented person in decision-making, which is consistent with the principle of "supported decision-making."
During its review, the committee explored all the concerns expressed by the public. It is the opinion of the committee that the proposed legislation addresses most of the concerns in one manner or another. However, it is the understanding of the committee that the Minister of Health and Social Services will introduce a motion to amend clause 8 of Bill 3, that would give special consideration to family members becoming the appointed guardian. The Standing Committee on Legislation would support such an amendment.
Although this legislation will require constant for effectiveness, the committee feels that it is among the most progressive legislation of its kind in Canada at this time. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair John Ningark
Yes, Mr. Gargan?
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
Mr. Chairman, I would recommend that we go on to the bill itself so that Members can give their comments.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Gargan is recommending that we deal with Bill 3, Guardianship and Trusteeship Act. Do we have the agreement of the committee?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
Do we agree, then that Committee Report 6-12(6) is concluded?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
---Agreed
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The Chair John Ningark
Madam Premier, the Minister of Health and Social Services, do you have an introduction to the bill? Madam Minister.
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput
Yes, Mr. Chairman, I have some opening remarks to the bill and, as well, the Minister of Justice also has some remarks, as we are in partnership on the Guardianship and Trusteeship Act.
Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to present Bill 3, the Guardianship and Trusteeship Act, for your consideration.
The Department of Health and Social Services is responsible for the guardianship provisions of this bill. These provisions allow the Supreme Court of the Northwest Territories to appoint a guardian for adults who are unable to make decisions about their health and well-being. The bill clearly defines specific situations in which the appointment of a guardian may be made. Respect for human dignity is the key principle underlying this bill. The guardianship process proposed by the bill has been designed to be as efficient, simple and economical as possible.
The bill was developed in consultation with many interested community and professional groups. The Standing Committee on Legislation has completed its public review of the bill and has considered concerns expressed by the public. In its report, the Standing Committee on Legislation concluded that this bill is one of the most progressive pieces of legislation of its kind in Canada, as noted by the chairman of the standing committee. The committee recommended that the bill be amended to give preferential consideration to the appointment of family members as guardians.
I support this recommendation and will bring forward a motion to address this issue. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Madam Premier. I would now like to recognize the Minister of Justice, Mr. Kakfwi.
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am also pleased to present the guardianship and trusteeship bill for your consideration.
The trusteeship provisions of this bill are the ones that I am responsible for, as Minister of Justice. The provisions in this bill regarding trusteeship provide for the appointment of trustees to act on behalf of persons who are not capable of making decisions regarding their finances.
At the present time, there is no legislation which sets out the rules under which trustees may be appointed to represent such persons. It is possible to apply to the court for that authority under the "common law," but that is a confusing process since there are no definite guidelines. This legislation will make it much easier for persons to apply to the court for appointment as the trustee of a family member or close friend.
This bill has been on the drawing board for several years and has undergone numerous changes. Originally, the bill was only intended to deal with guardianship issues, but it was later amended to include provisions with respect to trusteeship, which is the reason that I, as Minister of Justice, am co-sponsoring this bill. The public trustee is within my department and will administer the financial affairs of represented persons when there is no family member or close friend who is able or willing to do so.
As the Premier has mentioned in the context of guardianship, this bill has also been drafted to minimize the intrusiveness of trusteeship and to ensure respect for human dignity. A trustee will only be appointed for a person if the appointment will be of substantial benefit to the person. There will be no appointments made simply because a person is incapable of making financial decisions.
Across the country, there has been increasing pressure to find new ways to deal with abuse, neglect and self-neglect and to develop more options to ensure that there is less intervention and greater self-determination for all Canadians. Within the last two years, the provinces of British Columbia and Ontario have enacted wide-ranging legislation in this area. Their legislation has been considered in the drafting of this bill.
The Standing Committee on Legislation has considered the bill and I believe they found it to be a most progressive piece of legislation. However, there were some recommendations. One of them was that the bill be amended to give preferential consideration to the appointment of family members as guardians and trustees. As Ministers, we agreed with the requested amendment and I will be bringing forward the necessary motions to amend the relevant trusteeship provisions of the bill. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Minister. In keeping with the procedures, I will now go to the chairman of the Standing Committee on Legislation. Point of order, Mr. Zoe.
Point Of Order
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Point of order, Mr. Chairman. For Members on this side of the House, the reprint of Bill 3 is not complete. I would kindly request the chair that we take a few minutes break to get our staff to give us proper copies of the reprint of Bill 3.
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The Chair John Ningark
Do we agree that we take a few minutes break until the reprint is completed and Members are given a copy?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
We will take 15 minutes. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. The committee will come back to order. With the concurrence of the committee, would the appropriate Minister, Stephen Kakfwi, bring in his witnesses?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
I will ask the Sergeant-at-Arms to bring in the witnesses, please.
For the record, I would like to ask the honourable Minister to introduce the witnesses to the committee.
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Mr. Chairman, on my right is the assistant deputy minister from Health and Social Services, Penny Ballantyne and on my left, Mr. Shawn Flynn, from the legislation division. On his left is Larry Pontus, the public trustee from the Department of Justice.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. For the record, I would like to inform committee Members that Mr. Kakfwi, Minister of Justice and Madam Premier, Minister of Health and Social Services, will be able to answer your questions because this particular bill deals with both departments. Do we have any general comments? Mr. Lewis.
General Comments
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Brian Lewis Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The issue of guardianship and the need for dependent adults to have some way to make important decisions about their life has been with us for a long time. As Mr. Gargan has reported to the House, we have received information from several groups that indicated to us which way we should go.
Very often, it was a difficult to sort through the maze of sometimes conflicting opinions about how guardianship and trusteeship should operate in the Northwest Territories. During the review, Mr. Chairman, and even prior to this review when the bill first came into this House, I expressed some concerns that I have, because I've taken a personal interest in this particular subject for at least 10 years.
In making the comments I am about to make, Mr. Chairman, I wouldn't want to convey the opinion that we have not made substantial progress in the way this bill has been developed and brought to this stage in the House where we are about to go through each of the clauses. My major interest in such issues stems from a lifetime concern, as a professional person for the most part, in trying to give people the skills so they would be independent.
I saw that as the biggest problem facing the Northwest Territories, the degree of independence that societies, individuals, children in families, and kids in school strive to achieve. The whole process is to make you independent. However, some people in our societies are just not able to get that independence. That should be the principle that guides us all; how can we find ways of liberating people so they can be as independent as we can possibly make them. That has been my interest for most of my working life. Most of the work I have done has been directed at finding ways of making people independent, so they can stand up on their own feet.
I recognize, however, that there are groups of people in our society who need a lot of help; that can't be sovereign, independent people in the way we normally use that word. When we got the bill to examine, Mr. Chairman, it struck me that we could have done more with this bill to recognize that fundamental principle. We don't go as far as we can in recognizing that every individual, however frail or fragile they are, may have a spark and may, as much as possible, make decisions about themselves.
Because a bill that is sponsored by the government very often has been pushed this way and that way before it gets to us, very often it is very difficult to see which way you can change the bill, which operates from a certain set of principles and standards. It becomes very difficult for an individual Member to sort through all the research that has been done by government and all the information available from the provinces to make sure that what we do here is consistent with our own needs, but also with what is consistent, in some degree, with our society at large.
So, I was not able to get all the information I needed in committee in order to bring that kind of perspective to this piece of legislation. We said in our report that it is a progressive piece of legislation. In a sense, it is much better than anything we've got right now. It is better than several other pieces of legislation that exist in the country which are outdated and passed many, many decades ago.
What I want to do is make sure that what we do right now, we do in the spirit of recognizing that what we do now may not be changed for the next 20 years; that what we do now should be as good as we can possibly make it. I worked very carefully to see if there is some way -- even at this late stage and even though it is in the House now and we are going clause by clause -- we could recognize that if there is anything this Legislature is all about, it is to find ways, as much as possible, to help people make their own decisions and not have others make them for them; recognizing that there are still some cases where that would not be possible. We should find some way of introducing, even at this late stage, some words which recognize that we want to support whatever spark exists among people, so they can think and act for themselves. I have talked to ordinary Members about it and we have discussed it in committee. Our problem was we never knew what mechanism to use. We don't have the resources of government, as individual Members. It is very difficult for us to have the kind of expertise available to us that government lawyers would provide.
However, I have worked with our legal counsel and I believe there are some words we have come up with that may be able to convince Members that, even at this late stage, we could still make some small changes that would make this the best legislation that exists in this country. Also, it would confirm that what we do in the Northwest Territories has always been to try to find ways of making people independent, stand on their feet and to act for themselves where possible.
So, Mr. Chairman, I have said what I want to say and any further elaboration would be redundant and would probably irritate people. So when the time comes, I will be introducing some amendments to this act and I would urge Members to think carefully about the proposed changes and not to automatically say we have done all this work. This is the chamber where we make decisions and we should be open-minded about any possibility for change, even at this late date, because it has been very difficult to come up with something that would be acceptable to the Government of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Thank you, Mr. Lewis. General comments on the bill. Mr. Kakfwi.
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Mr. Chairman, I just wanted to comment on the remarks made by Mr. Lewis. The suggestions or proposed amendments are always welcome. I hope that they have been done with some considerable thought and some work, so they aren't frivolous amendments; that is there is some opinion by some trained lawyer to suggest they are necessary and they add substance to the bill. That is the only suggestion I wanted to make. Thank you.
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Any further general comments on the bill? Mr. Koe.
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Fred Koe Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Chairman. I have a few comments. I am very supportive of this bill. It has been a long time coming, not only for the people it is intended to protect, but also for other people who work with elders and disabled people. They are put into positions of trustees and guardians, but up until the passage of this bill, have no legal authority to act in those positions. In many cases, they are forced to because there is no one else around. They are either in a home or some kind of recovery place. Employees are forced to sign documents, either for medical or financial reasons. In many cases, it is not legal because they have no legal jurisdiction.
So I am very much in favour of this bill and look forward to seeing Mr. Lewis's amendments. I fully support the passage of this bill. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. General comments. Mr. Kenoayoak Pudlat.
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Kenoayoak Pudlat Baffin South
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As Members of the Legislative Assembly we have dealt with this bill. I know the comments are true and with our elders, youth and people, we often forget who the real trustees and guardians are. I will be in support of the amendment to the act.
I know that elders and the young people need guardians. We have to administer it. We know they will need guardians. I know people will be more aware of this issue if this bill is to be enacted. For example, many people can't do anything because they aren't aware of what they should and shouldn't do. We have to take care of our people, especially our elders, and the people who can't take care of themselves. I just wanted to state that I will be in full support of this bill. I would also like to hear what Mr. Lewis will have to say about the amendments. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Mr. Zoe.
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I, too, am in support of this bill. It is overdue. I have a number of constituents who fall into this guardian and trustee area. I believe this is a step in the right direction, but nevertheless, I agree with my colleague from Yellowknife Centre. The principle of trying to make one individual as independent as possible is the right way of looking at this legislation. I will be quite interested to see what type of minor amendments the Member is going to make to the bill. But, in general, I am in support of this particular bill. Mahsi.
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The Chair John Ningark
Qujannamiik. Any further general comments on Bill 3? Mr. Patterson.
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
I am going to say I am going to be brief and I am actually going to be brief. The bill is long overdue. Thank you.
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Thank you. General comments. Mr. Antoine.
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Mahsi, Mr. Chairman. This bill is a very important bill. The type of things this bill is intended to do are already being done, especially taking care of our elders in the communities. This bill will recognize the role of people who are guardians and have the trustee relationship with many of our elders. This is a very important bill.
I am just concerned that this bill might infringe on the rights of the elders. There are many of them who are very independently-minded people and there are a few elders I am aware of in the communities who we feel should come under this kind of help, but they refuse. If they refuse, I hope, under this bill, they will still be able to keep their independence even though some of us in positions of authority -- like leaders and chiefs and so forth -- might think they should have protection.
I hope this bill will allow the protection of their independence, even though some of us may think they may need protection. I just wanted to make sure that the rights of the elders under this bill are protected once it is in force. This is a new bill and once it is implemented, if it is passed, there is still room for amendments if we see that the independence of elders is being infringed upon in the future. Thank you. Mahsi.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Further general comments on the bill. Mr. Gargan.
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
Mr. Chairman, one of the things that came out when we visited the Aven Centre in Yellowknife is that there is a certain group of elders who have, in their lifetime, experienced a lot of alcohol abuse. After a while, they can't distinguish between right and wrong and can't make the decisions required. So, a lot of elders are being looked after without any kind of act.
With regard to decisions about medication, and surgery, if that is required, I know the people who work at the Aven Centre have said that the act is required in order for them to make decisions when a situation arises that is life-threatening or when such decisions have to be made. It is difficult for them to make decisions without legislation like this. I think this addresses that.
There are 68 clauses in this. I would request that perhaps we start going clause by clause.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. If there are no further general comments, does the committee agree that we go clause by clause in review of Bill 3? Mr. Zoe.
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Just before we go into clause-by-clause consideration, Mr. Chairman, I just wanted to make another point. To follow up on my colleague's comments, I understand that the bill in front of us would also give comfort to people who look after elders, like at the Aven Centre. Currently, if something goes wrong, they could be liable. This bill, if enacted, would assist people operating in elders' facilities.
Another point I wanted to make, Mr. Chairman, is with regard to family members. The current bill doesn't address this, but I note that in the special committee's report, it indicates that the government is planning to make amendments so that special consideration can be given to family members. I hope that is the case, and I am looking forward to the amendment that is coming forward from the government. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Further general comments from the Minister? If not, does the committee agree that we go clause by clause?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Clause By Clause
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Bill 3, reprint, Guardianship and Trusteeship Act. Clause 1. Mr. Zoe.
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Mr. Chairman, in the definition of "adult" in the Interpretation Act, if I recall right, the age of majority is 19. But, the department has made the age of majority, in this specific act, the age of 18. Could I ask for the rationale of making it 18 years of age, rather than 19? Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Go ahead.
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Flynn
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The reason it applies to people who are 18 years and older, instead of 19, is the Child Welfare Act applies to people who are younger than 18. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Zoe, does that answer your question?
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Mr. Chairman, I don't quite understand the rationale. The Interpretation Act defines adults as persons who have attained the age of 19 years. If this specific clause wasn't in this bill, I would assume "adult" would be interpreted as 19 years. You changed it specifically to 18 years and I'm just wondering why. You said the Child Welfare Act only goes up to 18 years of age. But, this act is primarily for adults. I'm not too sure what the department is trying to say.
The drinking age is 19 and so forth. I would have assumed that this bill would recognize that if you are 19, you would be considered an adult.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Mr. Chairman, what would happen, basically, is that 18-year-olds would be exempt from either act. We want the new act to apply. If we don't include 18-year-olds, they would be left out. That's the thinking behind this particular definition.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Clause 1. Mr. Lewis.
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Brian Lewis Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is one area that I believe could be improved and I do have a proposed amendment, if I may proceed, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Lewis. Proceed, please.
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Brian Lewis Yellowknife Centre
Okay, Mr. Chairman, I move that clause 1 of Bill 3 be amended by adding the following definition immediately after the definition for spouse: "'supported decision-making' means a process whereby a person is unable to make and communicate decisions with respect to personal care and his
or her property, and in which advice, support or assistance is provided to that person by people chosen by that person."
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Lewis. We need a translation of this proposed amendment. Mr. Kakfwi.
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The Chair John Ningark
I am having technical difficulties. I am pushing the wrong buttons. I would like to remind the committee that we have to have translation in Inuktitut and French, so we will take a break until the translation is ready. Do you want to make a quick comment, Mr. Minister?
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The Chair John Ningark
Is it to do with the motion? If it is regarding the motion, we have to get it translated so Mr. Pudlat will be able to follow along. We will break and then you can make your comments to the motion. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. The committee will come back to order. Before ruling on the motion, I would like to recognize Mr. Lewis, mover of the motion. Mr. Lewis.
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Brian Lewis Yellowknife Centre
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Before the break, I moved an amendment to clause 1 of this bill and have since had an opportunity to talk to the Minister and also some of his officials. Because there are other amendments that follow from this first one, there may be some good technical reasons why we would defer this motion until they've had a chance to look at it.
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Brian Lewis Yellowknife Centre
So, I would like to move that further consideration of Bill 3 be deferred, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Lewis. The motion is in order and the motion is not debatable. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion to defer Bill 3 has passed.
---Carried
I would like to thank the Minister and the witnesses for appearing before the committee. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Gargan.
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
Mr. Chairman, I move we report progress.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Gargan. There is a motion to report progress and the motion is not debatable. All those in favour? I thanked the Minister already; they are relieved. All those in favour, please; I didn't see anybody.
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Michael Ballantyne Yellowknife North
For what?
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The Chair John Ningark
To report progress. All those opposed? The motion is carried.
---Carried
I will rise and report progress on your behalf.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
I call the House back to order. Item 20, report of committee of the whole. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot, Mr. Ningark.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, your committee has been considering Committee Report 6-12(6) and Bill 3, and would like to report progress, with Committee Report 6-12(6) being concluded and, Madam Speaker, I move that the report of the committee of the whole be concurred with.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. Is there a seconder for the motion? The honourable Member for Nahendeh, Mr. Antoine. The motion is in order. To the motion.
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Question.
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.
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Item 21, third reading of bills. Item 22, orders of the day. Mr. Clerk.
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton
Madam Speaker, there will be a meeting of the Advisory Committee on Social Housing at 5:30 pm this evening. There will be meetings tomorrow at 9:00 am of the Caucus, at 10:30 am of the Ordinary Members' Caucus, and at 12:00 noon there will be a Caucus briefing.
Orders of the day for Tuesday, October 25, 1994.
1. Prayer
2. Ministers' Statements
3. Members' Statements
4. Returns to Oral Questions
5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
6. Oral Questions
7. Written Questions
8. Returns to Written Questions
9. Replies to Opening Address
10. Petitions
11. Reports of Standing and Special Committees 12. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills
13. Tabling of Documents
14. Notices of Motion
15. Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills
16. Motions
- Motion 12-12(6): TD 36-12(6) "Action Plan - Consolidation - Health and Services" to Committee of the Whole
17. First Reading of Bills
18. Second Reading of Bills
19. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
- Tabled Document 14-12(6), "Open for Business" - Privatizing the Northwest Territories Power Corporation
- Tabled Document 23-12(6), Report of the 1993-94 Electoral District Boundaries Commission Northwest
Territories
- Minister's Statement 11-12(6), Return to Session
- Committee Report 10-12(6), Report on the Review of the
1995-96 Capital Estimates
- Committee Report 11-12(6), Report on the First Annual Report (1992-93) of the Languages Commissioner of the NWT
- Bill 1, Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1995-96
- Bill 2, Aboriginal Custom Adoption Recognition Act
- Bill 3, Guardianship and Trusteeship Act
- Bill 7, An Act to Amend the Arctic College Act
- Bill 8, An Act to Amend the Public Utilities Act
20. Report of Committee of the Whole
21. Third Reading of Bills
22. Orders of the Day
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. This House stands adjourned until Tuesday, October 25, at 1:30 pm.
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