No, before we conclude buildings and works, Mr. Chairman. There is a senior citizens' home in Fort Resolution. I'm just wondering the difference between an elders' residence and a senior citizens' home. I know there are other communities who don't have anything. Is this a second facility for Fort Resolution? I just wanted to clear that up.

Mr. Chairman, can I have Mr. Norwich answer that question? I know there are some grey areas; it depends on the architectural design and what type of program is in place. Perhaps there is a clearer definition.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Grey is grey, black is black. The senior citizens' facility is similar in scope to an elders' facility. What is planned for Resolution is significantly more, in the sense that it does have the areas for care, it provides for independent living and it has multi-use space where people can congregate, have their meals and so forth. That is the current program for the type of facility we have envisaged.

However, in saying that, with regard to the standard within the facility, we don't foresee luxurious types of settings that people may perceive have existed before. We are talking about bare bones facilities that meet the needs of the elders and which the elders feel is home to them. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Have you done any kinds of needs assessment to determine if the need in Fort Resolution outweighs the need in Gjoa Haven?

Mr. Chairman, I don't think we would know that until we sit down with Gjoa Haven and see what their needs are. I know the needs of Cambridge Bay and Coppermine are more of housing rather than program delivery in a unit. So, it really depends on what Gjoa Haven will scope out as their needs, and that has not been done yet.

At one point, there was an allocation for Gjoa Haven. I presume it was based on an assessment that was done across the north. That was deleted this year. The deletion wasn't made in this House, so I would presume that the deletion freed up money for some other community. Which community got that money?

Mr. Chairman, I'm not aware that that deletion freed up any dollars. I know, in terms of capital dollars, there isn't anything new that moved anywhere else. I'm not sure anyone got those capital dollars. I would have to check on that.

Well, shouldn't we get that information before we finalize the budget?

Mr. Chairman, I don't think that is necessary, mainly because what you see before you in the capital budget is what is there. What I did explain to the Kitikmeot representatives was that we would try to address the needs of Gjoa Haven mainly because of the particular circumstances they are in. It could be dealt with in the way of a supp, or, if it is a housing requirement, perhaps there is a way to do it by reassigning some of the housing units that are already going in there. We aren't talking about new money, and it depends on what the residents of Gjoa Haven are going to say their requirements are.

We would have to discuss that, and find out where it fits into the programs that are already available.

Mr. Chairman, when this Assembly started out about three and a half years ago, there was a process put in place by the Premier for the needs of all the Members. What I'm hearing the Minister suggest is if there is a need in Gjoa Haven, they will try to do it through appropriations or through a senior citizens' contribution of some kind. I guess my argument is, I'm sure, before Gjoa Haven was even considered for a senior citizens' home, there was justification. I think the Premier alluded to that to try to convince Mr. Pollard that if the need is there, he might get the support to do it.

But, the support was there before for this project in Gjoa Haven. I'm wondering if you have any supporting documents that, at one time, convinced the Executive Council to designate whatever the amount was for Gjoa Haven.

Mr. Chairman, I guess where the issue would have been addressed would have been in the housing needs studies, where it would identify how many people are in a certain age category and some of the basic needs that are there, in terms of housing. It would have identified people according to age group and requirements of program delivery. But, it is only when we get down to deciding to do a program that we decide what type of structure it should be.

Up to this time, I think we have been over-designing, to a certain degree. Maybe these things that are important to people are a bit more modest than some of the elders' facilities that we have put up. So, we can say, yes, the needs are identified through the needs assessment and previously, that needs assessment identified Gjoa Haven. It was, at one time, in the capital plan. Then, there were a series of meetings with the community which we have been criticized about because Members went into the community and convinced the community that perhaps home care, alone, was a better way to go.

I believe at that time they thought if they were going to go the home care route, they would take the facility out. That is what happened. Subsequently, we have been severely criticized. It was felt that the right people weren't in the community and people were talked into a stand-alone program of home care without fully realizing that, indirectly, they were giving us the opportunity to take the capital project out of the plan. Thank you.

The needs assessment was done in 1992. I don't really know what the process is after the needs assessment has been done, but it seems to me that regardless of whether the need is there, if there is a change in plans then that will be considered. If you are suggesting that the change requires something else in Gjoa Haven, then are you placing the allocation of that need for a senior citizens' facility using a different way of doing it? You're saying that in 1992 there was a requirement for a senior citizens' home in Gjoa Haven. But for some reason, in 1994, the needs have changed or the requirement has changed, so you deleted that. But have you replaced it with maybe an access unit or 10 access units or whatever the case may be? The need is still there, is all I'm saying. So if you're going to take away by not building a seniors' facility, you must have replaced it with something to address the needs of the seniors. Have you done that?