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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

WHEREAS there are two existing national parks in the western Arctic, namely: Nahanni National Park Reserve, which is still subject to aboriginal right, title and interest, and Wood Buffalo National Park;

AND WHEREAS new national parks are also operational or being planned for the western Arctic, namely: Ivvavik, which is located in the Inuvialuit settlement area in the Yukon territory, but is administered out of Inuvik, Aulavik and Tuktut Nogait, also part of Bluenose Park;

AND WHEREAS two park reserves have been formally established in Nunavut: Auyuittuq, Ellesmere Island;

AND WHEREAS Canadian Heritage has announced plans for four more national parks which are either in Nunavut or partly in Nunavut, namely: north Baffin, Bathurst Island, Wager Bay and Bluenose, along with national historic sites, Piqqiq and Arviaq;

AND WHEREAS the new and planned national parks were established with the consent and support of adjacent communities and Inuit organizations as a means of protecting the land while preserving aboriginal rights, including traditional hunting rights, as well as providing economic and employment benefits;

AND WHEREAS the land claim settlement of the Inuit of Nunavut was predicated on existing parks and new parks being established in the Nunavut land claims settlement area and notes a commitment to complete the representation of national park regions in Nunavut;

AND WHEREAS during the land selection process of the Inuit land claim negotiations, Inuit land selections were made in good faith and in contemplation of and reliance upon Canadian Heritage's ongoing commitment to supporting and maintaining existing and future national parks in Nunavut;

AND WHEREAS existing national park reserves and proposed national parks will require the negotiation of Inuit impact and benefit agreements under the Inuit impact and benefits provisions of the Nunavut land claims agreement;

AND WHEREAS Canadian Heritage has recently worked in close cooperation with the Government of the NWT in joint ventures, such as establishing territorial parks in conjunction with heritage rivers, national historic sites, collaboration on visitors' and nature centres and exhibitory;

AND WHEREAS Canadian Heritage proposes to reorganize its management structure in Nunavut and the Northwest Territories;

AND WHEREAS Canadian Heritage may be facing budget reductions in Nunavut and the western Northwest Territories as a result of the recent federal budget which cut the department's budget by approximately 20 per cent in future years;

AND WHEREAS there is strong concern on the part of Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated and Nunavut Members of the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories, that there should be continued close planning and financial cooperation between the GNWT and Canadian Heritage and that financial and human resources should not be withdrawn from Nunavut in light of the previous commitments made to support existing and future national parks in Nunavut and on the eve of Inuit impact and benefit agreement negotiations under the Inuit land claim;

AND WHEREAS there is strong concern on the part of some western aboriginal leaders and some MLAs in the western Arctic about the shifting of resources and erosion of resources within the western Arctic, which changes appear to have been implemented without significant consultation with affected communities;

NOW THEREFORE I MOVE, seconded by the Member for Baffin Central, that Mr. Bill Balan, regional executive director for the Department of Canadian Heritage (Prairies and NWT region) or his designate, be invited by this Assembly to appear at his or her expense to outline current organizational and fiscal changes and respond to the concerns of this Assembly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Patterson. Your motion is in order. To the motion.

Some Hon. Members

Question.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Patterson, do you wish to speak to your motion?

Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I hear question being called and I know the whereases are lengthy enough that they outline the concerns, but I would like to make two points. I won't go over the reasons for this motion in detail.

I thought of inviting the Minister of Canadian Heritage to account for the changes that many of my constituents are so concerned about, and was told by officials in Canadian Heritage that it would be very unlikely that the Minister would come here, burdened as he is with CBC cuts and aboriginal language agreement funding issues, as well as other priorities in Ottawa. Everyone I spoke to said the individual I have named in the motion is the one who has been initiating the changes that have caused such concern.

So, Mr. Speaker, although I know it is not preferred that an official be asked to be accountable, I think in this case it is appropriate because this official is making decisions that are affecting this important area of activity in the Northwest Territories. So far, without any or significant consultation with communities and MLAs. So this is the appropriate way of ensuring that that consultation takes places.

Secondly, Mr. Speaker, I would like to inform Members of the House that I have endeavoured, through the good offices of Mr. Todd, the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism, to find out more about the organizational changes and to find out more details about the financial impacts, which I have outlined in general terms in my motion. His senior officials have told me in so many words that getting this information is like trying to pin down jello. There is a constantly changing scenario and an evasion of direct answers on what is going to happen with parks in the Northwest Territories and with Canadian Heritage as it reorganizes itself in the Northwest Territories. We do know changes are underfoot. This is not just rumours or apprehensions. For example, in my riding, I have been told that the Nunavut park superintendent position recently created and now vacant, will not be refilled. We have been told that the Nunavut land claims coordinator position was to be moved out of Nunavut, although that decision has recently been reversed. I am told by other MLAs that resources have been shifted in Nahanni Butte and in Fort Smith. So these are real changes and they have a significant impact on the Northwest Territories. I am hoping, therefore, that Members will support me in this move to find out what is going on and ensure a measure of consultation and accountability that has not been followed to date by the officials making these significant changes. Thank you.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Seconder to the motion, Ms. Mike. To the motion.

Some Hon. Members

Question.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Question has been called. All those in favour? Mr. Koe.

Fred Koe Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. When this notice of motion was first given several days ago, I had many concerns because there were a lot of references to western MLAs and the concern of western aboriginal leaders. At the time, I really didn't hear many western concerns. I have since talked to the Member proposing the bill and I am still not totally convinced that the western leaders are very concerned.

There are parks in the western Northwest Territories. There are parks in the Beaufort area. I assume -- and again I am assuming this because I don't have any information...It is hard to vote on a motion when there is a real lack of information. I don't know what the impacts are. I assume the gist of this motion is to try to get information. I really have some difficulty in supporting this motion. We are asking the regional executive director to appear in this Assembly. Over the short time I have been here, every time we ask for witnesses, we always get into a debate as to who should appear. The last one I recall was whether or not the Minister of Indian Affairs should appear before us in this Assembly or appear before us in Caucus.

So I am really not clear what this motion is saying; "that this individual be invited to this Assembly to appear to outline organizational and fiscal changes." It doesn't say where to appear or when.

The other thing I am aware of is one of the issues related in this motion has a lot of impact on Nunavut. I know, in most cases, in the northwest part of our territories, the Beaufort and Delta areas, that a lot of parks were created through the claims that were negotiated and then the direction has been given jointly with the Inuvialuit, Gwich'in and the Government of Canada in establishing these parks. So the direction should come from them, and to this date, I have not received any from them.

So I won't be voting against the motion, but I won't be supporting the motion. It is something that I think government should be encouraging. We have a Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs. He should be finding out more information for us. I can't support the intent to have this director come in before the House. I can't support that. Thank you.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

To the motion. Mr. Zoe.

Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am having some difficulty with the motion itself. We are asking individuals to appear before us, Mr. Speaker. I think the intent of the motion is to get somebody who has authority who can respond to concerns of this Assembly, and the individual named or his designate, I do not feel would be able to do that. I think it would have been more appropriate if you were to ask the Minister responsible if he would have been able to appear. I would then have been more comfortable with this type of motion coming forward, but I don't think we are going to achieve our goal by passing this motion. I feel uncomfortable with this particular motion, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

To the motion. Closing remarks, Mr. Patterson.

Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Mr. Chairman, just to respond to some of the concerns. Number one, I hesitate to speak for western aboriginal leaders or western MLAs but I was encouraged to broaden the motion to recognize the fact that there are, which I know, concerns outside my constituency and outside Nunavut. I know I have spoken to some western MLAs who do have concerns.

I just want to make one comment about aboriginal leaders; that is, the president of Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated, Mr. Jose Kusugak, with whom I have spoken about this issue, is concerned and has expressed his concern about this issue and about the possible erosion of support for parks in Nunavut even though their land claim was negotiated contemplating continuing and future establishment of parks in Nunavut.

Secondly, as to the point about the appropriate forum for receiving this briefing, I would like to confess that, in fact, the motion leaves it open as to where this individual will appear, so I think this is something we can discuss in Caucus, Mr. Speaker, and if it is agreed by members of Caucus that it may be more appropriate to arrange for a briefing privately rather than within the ropes, then I would have no problem with agreeing to the consensus that we may reach in Caucus, as we ordinarily do when it comes to inviting witnesses.

So I would urge you, if you have concerns about where this person might appear and concerns about having a bureaucrat appear within this Chamber, I will respect your concerns when the time comes and we discuss it in Caucus, but please don't reject the motion, because the reality is, Mr. Speaker -- I think Mr. Zoe might be the first to admit this -- if we invite the Minister of Canadian Heritage to come up here and talk about reorganization of the administration of Canadian Heritage in the Northwest Territories and redeployment of resources and financial cutbacks, the chances of that Minister coming up here to brief us on that issue, however important it is to us, are minimal.

So what I have tried to do is pinpoint the official who is responsible for making these decisions and hold that person accountable, and we can find an appropriate means of getting the information from this individual when the time comes. I am led to believe by speaking with Canadian Heritage and Mr. Balan's office that they are willing to take this invitation seriously, that somebody senior will come. So please don't prevent us from being able to get information that, so far, we haven't been able to get, simply because you are concerned about having a bureaucrat invited to come to Yellowknife to account for his decisions by this Assembly. We will find the appropriate forum, Mr. Speaker, but let's get the individual up here and let's get his report, and we will find the appropriate place and time to do that once this motion is passed. Thank you.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. To the motion. The motion is in order. To the motion.

An Hon. Member

Question.

An Hon. Member

(Microphone turned off)

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Patterson has already made his closing remarks to the motion, Ms. Mike.

An Hon. Member

Question.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? This motion is defeated.

---Defeated

An Hon. Member

(Microphone turned off)

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Item 16, motions. Item 17, first reading of bills. Mr. Kakfwi.

Bill 27: An Act To Amend The Land Titles Act
Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

March 9th, 1995

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Tu Nedhe, that Bill 27, An Act to Amend the Land Titles Act, be read for the first time.

Bill 27: An Act To Amend The Land Titles Act
Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Bill 27: An Act To Amend The Land Titles Act
Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

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An Hon. Member

Question.

Bill 27: An Act To Amend The Land Titles Act
Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 27, An Act to Amend the Land Titles Act, has had first reading. Item 17, first reading of bills. Mr. Kakfwi.