Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the Gallery. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, return to written questions. Item 9, replies to Opening Address. Item 10, petitions. Ms. Groenewegen.
Debates of Oct. 7th, 1996
Topics
Return To Question 418-13(3): Update On Bhp Developments
Question 418-13(3): Update On Bhp Developments
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Item 10: Petitions
Item 10: Petitions
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Jane Groenewegen Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to present a petition today on the matter of naming the new western territory. Mr. Speaker, Petition No. 68-13(3) contains 81 signatures from residents of Hay River. Mr. Speaker the petitioners request that: We, the undersigned, feel that the name for the western territory should remain as is, the Northwest Territories. As most of us have either been born here or have resided in the Northwest Territories for most of our lifetime we consider the Northwest Territories our home and would like to see the name remain as is. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Item 10: Petitions
Item 10: Petitions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Mr. O'Brien.
Committee Report 6-13(3): Report On The Review Of The Report (1994-95) Of The Auditor General To The NWT Legislative Assembly For The Year Ended March 31, 1995
Item 11: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees
October 6th, 1996
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the first time since the Legislative Assembly standing committee structure was changed, the Standing Committee on Government Operations has reviewed the Annual Report of the Auditor General. This task was formerly the duty of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts. The new Committee structure allows members of the Government Operations Committee to consider the Auditor General's comments in conjunction with other relevant issues which have been considered by the Committee before, rather than in isolation.
The Standing Committee met to review the report on August 26 and 27, 1996. The first day of meetings was devoted to briefings by the Auditor General's staff and Committee staff on the nature of the public accounts, the auditing process, the review process for the Auditor General's Report, and issues raised in that report. The second day, August 27, was a public meeting at which committee members took the opportunity to discuss the relevant issues with the comptroller general, Mr. Lew Voytilla, and the Deputy Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. David Ramsden.
A number of important issues arising from the report, as well as issues raised in last year's report, were addressed by committee members. Our report contains seven recommendations for consideration by Members.
Mr. Speaker, with that I would like to move that the Report of the Government Operations Committee on the review of the Report of the Auditor General for the year ended March 31, 1995 be received by the Legislative Assembly and moved into Committee of the Whole for consideration. Thank you.
Committee Report 6-13(3): Report On The Review Of The Report (1994-95) Of The Auditor General To The NWT Legislative Assembly For The Year Ended March 31, 1995
Item 11: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. O'Brien. Seconded by Mr. Erasmus. Question is being called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried. Mr. O'Brien.
Committee Report 6-13(3): Report On The Review Of The Report (1994-95) Of The Auditor General To The NWT Legislative Assembly For The Year Ended March 31, 1995
Item 11: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik
Mr. Speaker, I would also request unanimous consent to waive Rule 93(4) and have the report moved into Committee of the Whole for consideration today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Committee Report 6-13(3): Report On The Review Of The Report (1994-95) Of The Auditor General To The NWT Legislative Assembly For The Year Ended March 31, 1995
Item 11: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
The Member for Kivallivik is seeking unanimous consent to waive Rule 93(4). Do we have any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent, Mr. O'Brien. Accordingly the Report of the Auditor General will be moved into the Committee of the Whole.
Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. Barnabas.
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
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Levi Barnabas High Arctic
I wish to table letters I received on October 2, 1996 from Ms. Lawrie Barton, Principal of the Inuujaq School in Arctic Bay, Tabled Document 80-13(3) regarding the lack of housing in Arctic Bay. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Item 13, tabling of documents. Mrs. Groenewegen.
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
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Jane Groenewegen Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to table a package of letters and background information that deal with this government's fuel subsidy for seniors, Tabled Document 81-13(3).
Mr. Speaker, this package contains:
- copies of correspondence between the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment and Mrs. Esther Braden, President of the NWT Seniors Society.
- a letter from the MLA for Iqaluit to the Minister of ECE and a letter of response from the Minister.
- a letter from Mrs. Braden to the MLA for Yellowknife Centre and attachments.
- a letter to the MLA for Hay River and a copy, I guess that would be to myself, of a motion recommending deferral of revisions to the Fuel Subsidy Program from Mrs. Braden; and
- a copy of a newspaper article from The Hub in Hay River, that deals with the Fuel Subsidy Program for seniors.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. Ningark.
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
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John Ningark Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. I wish to table an empowering document, Tabled Document 82-13(3), The Graphics of the Kitikmeot Boarding Home Occupancy Level From the Kitikmeot Health Board. Thank you.
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Item 13, tabling of documents. Are there further tabling of documents? Item 14, notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motions for first reading of bills, notices of motions for first reading of bills. We should take a break. Item 16, motions. Motion 16-13(3), Policy Concerning Capital Project Changes. Mr. O'Brien.
Motion 16-13(3): Policy Concerning Capital Project Changes
Item 16: Motions
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker,
WHEREAS a fundamental responsibility of the Legislative Assembly is that of appropriation of public money to permit the functioning of government of the Northwest Territories;
AND WHEREAS Northwest Territories Act and Financial Administration Act states that an appropriation bill shall be submitted to the legislative assembly for each fiscal year;
AND WHEREAS the Financial Administration Act provides that the Appropriation Bill be based on the votes and items of expenditure set out in the estimates by Vote 1 - Operations and Maintenance, and Vote 2 - Capital. Expenditures are presented separately in the estimates.
AND WHEREAS the Legislative Assembly has absolute legislative control at the vote and item level as provided by section 29 and 30 of the Financial Administration Act.
AND WHEREAS the provisions of the Financial Administration Act require that no change be made without the Legislative Assembly's approval by way of supplementary appropriations bill process;
AND WHEREAS the Financial Management Board has the authority to transfer appropriations and establish capital projects within certain restrictions;
AND WHEREAS decisions on expenditures must be made in light of the fiscal position of the Government of the Northwest Territories;
AND WHEREAS the Government of the Northwest Territories has a community- based capital planning process;
AND WHEREAS the main thrust of the capital planning process is to involve Members of the Legislative Assembly, municipalities and community groups;
AND WHEREAS there has been a lack of communication between the Ministers and members of the Standing Committees, regarding changes to the capital plan;
AND WHEREAS economic circumstances presently dictate that capital transfers between activities which have previously been common, should no longer be viewed as acceptable or appropriate;
NOW THEREFORE, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Yellowknife North, that the Executive Council be required to develop and adopt a policy prior to November 1, 1996, that ensures that any new capital project over $250,000, not identified in the capital estimates for the fiscal year, except those necessary to address an emergency situation, not proceed without prior consultation with the affected Members and the appropriate standing committee;
AND FURTHER, that the policy include a process whereby appropriate consultation occur with the affected member and standing committee on issues relating to the transfer and deferral of capital projects;
AND FURTHER, that the Executive Council provide the standing committees on a quarterly basis, any changes and adjustments to the capital appropriations in a fiscal year.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Motion 16-13(3): Policy Concerning Capital Project Changes
Item 16: Motions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Your motion is in order, Mr. O'Brien. Mr. O'Brien, do you wish to speak to the motion?
Motion 16-13(3): Policy Concerning Capital Project Changes
Item 16: Motions
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Very briefly. Although this issue has been raised regarding certain monies being moved around, deleted, I am sure that this has caused some embarrassment for some Members and it is probably not very popular with my honourable Members across the floor. Nevertheless, it must be addressed, and I am sure that some of my own friends across the floor would have attacked this issue with much more aggression than we have on this side.
Mr. Speaker, I will not go on too long, beating what I consider a dead horse, and I hope the horse is dead. In short, I will say that what we have witnessed regarding the Cabinet budget shuffle is unwarranted, unwanted, and unacceptable, and I believe that in the moving of capital dollars without consultation with respective MLA's tears at the very fabric that bonds together at the mainstay of consensus government.
Mr. Speaker, it is my hope that we are finished with this process, and that we move forward in a positive manner. Thank you.
Motion 16-13(3): Policy Concerning Capital Project Changes
Item 16: Motions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. The seconder of the motion. Mr. Erasmus. Do any other Members wish to speak to the Motion? Questions, Mr. Krutko.
Motion 16-13(3): Policy Concerning Capital Project Changes
Item 16: Motions
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Mr. Speaker. A member from the Deh Cho has also lost $1.5 million during the last year of capital expenditures in his home constituency. Money for a curling in the amount of $500,000 has disappeared. Where did the money go? A commitment for $480,000 to renovate the senior citizens home in Fort Providence that was built in 1974 has also been lost. These monies would have individualized several units so that more seniors would be able to live more independently. An additional $600,000 has also been lost in the area of transportation in the Deh Cho riding for Highway No. 1. Was the money taken from the Deh Cho riding and used in the riding in Nahendeh? As far as I know, the MLA was not aware that all of this money would be taken away. Where is the honour in that, and where is the consultation, and where does the whole process of community empowerment come in? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Motion 16-13(3): Policy Concerning Capital Project Changes
Item 16: Motions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. To the motion. As the mover on the motion, do you wish to close debate? Mr. O'Brien.
Motion 16-13(3): Policy Concerning Capital Project Changes
Item 16: Motions
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have just been informed by my honourable friend, Mr. Picco, that the horse is truly dead, and I will call for at this time, a recorded vote. Thank you.
Motion 16-13(3): Policy Concerning Capital Project Changes
Item 16: Motions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. There is a request for a recorded vote, Mr. Clerk. All those in favour, please stand.
Motion 16-13(3): Policy Concerning Capital Project Changes
Item 16: Motions
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton
Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Roland, Mr. Miltenberger, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Henry, Ms. Groenewegen, Mr. Ningark, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Mr. Barnabas, and Mr. Picco.
Motion 16-13(3): Policy Concerning Capital Project Changes
Item 16: Motions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. All of those against the motion, please stand. All of those abstaining, please stand.
Motion 16-13(3): Policy Concerning Capital Project Changes
Item 16: Motions
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton
Mr. Ng, Ms. Thompson, Mr. Antoine, Mr. Morin, Mr. Todd, Mr. Arlooktoo, Mr. Dent.
Motion 16-13(3): Policy Concerning Capital Project Changes
Item 16: Motions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. The motion is passed with 13 in favour, nobody against, and 7 abstaining. Thank you. Item 16. Motions. Motion 17-13(3), Commitment concerning the recreation centre project in Fort Simpson. Mr. Ootes.