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Further Return To Question 191-13(3): Application Of Article 24 Of Nunavut Final Agreement
Question 191-13(3): Application Of Article 24 Of Nunavut Final Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ningark.

Supplementary To Question 191-13(3): Application Of Article 24 Of Nunavut Final Agreement
Question 191-13(3): Application Of Article 24 Of Nunavut Final Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister has stated that it means all businesses owned by the...(inaudible)...service. In this case, we have a situation in Gjoa Haven that this government does not allow the contractor taking contracts under this government to stay in that bed and breakfast unless the commercial hotel in the community is full. Thereby, the government should honour article 24 and allow the employees of this government to stay in the bed and breakfast in that community. Does the government recognize that fact? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 191-13(3): Application Of Article 24 Of Nunavut Final Agreement
Question 191-13(3): Application Of Article 24 Of Nunavut Final Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo.

Further Return To Question 191-13(3): Application Of Article 24 Of Nunavut Final Agreement
Question 191-13(3): Application Of Article 24 Of Nunavut Final Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, as I said before, we will live up to our obligations under article 24 of the Nunavut final agreement. As I stated yesterday, we will do everything we can to increase the participation of Inuit in businesses, whether they are contracting or other areas. On the specific issue of bed and breakfasts, I will state again, I am looking into that along with the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism.

Further Return To Question 191-13(3): Application Of Article 24 Of Nunavut Final Agreement
Question 191-13(3): Application Of Article 24 Of Nunavut Final Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Erasmus.

Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, the Minister of Renewable Resources indicated in a statement that the Department of Renewable Resources was drafting regulations to which Giant would have to modernize its equipment and move to a method of extracting gold from the ore in a more economic way and that provides for less pollution in the environment. In fact, he stated that in the next 10 years, Giant would have to cut out emissions by 90 per cent. What would Giant have to do in order to cut its emissions by 90 per cent and to comply with these. new regulations?

Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Minister of Renewable Resources, Mr. Kakfwi.

Return To Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the method by which Giant extracts gold from the ore that they mine is a

method that is used practically nowhere else in Canada. That is the method that they have used since they have started operating a few decades ago. Other mines have a more modern and efficient way of extracting gold from the ore, such as Miramar Con Mine. Giant has said that they have enough reserve to allow them to operate for another seven years for sure. Beyond that, they are uncertain. They have been saying that for the last 20 years. It is our view that they cannot continue operating under the present mode of operation indefinitely. At some time in the future, they have to take account that the profits they are making should be used in part to change the present mode of operation, so as to reduce dramatically the level of emission of sulphur dioxide that they are emitting presently. That is what we were trying to say. Other than that, if the Member requires more information, I would require some assistance to prepare a technical description of the exact mode of operation that I am referring to. Thank you.

Return To Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus.

Supplementary To Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If Giant Mine has proven reserves for only seven years, what good is it to ask them to cut their emissions 10 years from now? That seems like a complete waste of time.

Supplementary To Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, we recognize that. The fact is, they have said the mine has been operating marginally at times, and we do not want to introduce laws or regulations that could force the owners to cease operation of that mine. The intent is to give sufficient time to the owners and operators, and to give them a very clear message that they cannot continue operating indefinitely under the present mode of operation, and that we give them sufficient notice that they have to plan to change their mode of operation if they're going to continue operating well into the next few decades. That is the approach we are taking. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus.

Further Return To Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could Giant cut their emissions by 90 per cent for less than $10 million?

Further Return To Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Erasmus, that is a hypothetical question. It wouldn't be in the Minister's knowledge to respond. Could you rephrase your question?

Supplementary To Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I understand that Giant Mine made a profit of over $10 million last year, and I also understand that, to this point this year, they've already produced 500 ounces of gold more than they did at this point last year. It seems to me that this company is making ample money out of this operation. Can the

Minister explain why, since this is the case, the mine can't implement this new process within five years or three years, perhaps?

Supplementary To Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus, again, the Minister could choose to answer it if he wishes to, but the Minister isn't a mine inspector or doesn't have knowledge of how these mines operate in order to make profits, nor does he know their costs of operation. I would like to say if you're asking for information, Mr. Erasmus, perhaps the Minister might be able to find the answers and provide that information. Mr. Kakfwi, do you wish to respond?

Further Return To Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, it is probably worthwhile to point out that Giant Mine has stored underground, and has been storing since 1951, tons of arsenic; 264,000 tons of arsenic are stored underground in the chambers that have been excavated. Presently, the federal government is responsible for dealing with arsenic, and officials are presently reviewing what could be done to ensure that this toxic substance is stored in a way that it would not become a public hazard in the future.

The present company -- and there have been two or three changes of ownership in the last decade -- is watching that, I'm sure very carefully, to see what liabilities may result from that particular exercise. We have no interest in doing anything that would cause the owners to consider ceasing operations at Giant.

I share, with all Members, the deep concern for the environment. I have deep concern for the health of people. I also have a deep concern that we act responsibly in a way that does not disrupt the rather fragile economy of the city of Yellowknife and of this area in general. Having said that, it has been a great number of years that this government has existed and has not acted to do anything in coming up with guidelines or enforceable regulations to direct Giant to change their mode of operation or to govern themselves accordingly. It is this government and this Minister that has initiated initial moves to address that problem, and we're trying to do it in a way that respects the various interests of the parties involved. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus, final supplementary.

Supplementary To Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The way the regulations are being drafted, would Giant Mine have to do anything before 10 years or do we have to wait until the 10 years are up? Can they just do the thing in the final year, or do they have to do anything before that?

Supplementary To Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, under whatever results from the review and initiation by the federal government regarding the arsenic emissions, I'm uncertain as to what will be required in the future. But on the sulphur dioxide emissions, they are enforceable and we have given Giant 10 years to reduce their rate of emission. So they have up to 10 years to do that. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
Question 192-13(3): Regulations Re Sulphur Dioxide Emissions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Again, to remind the Members that when you address the chair, it's Mr. Speaker. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco.

Question 193-13(3): Transfer Of Occupational Health And Safety
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Todd. There has been much concern expressed about the transfer of occupational health and safety to the WCB. Could the Minister inform this House who proposed this transfer, and when?

Question 193-13(3): Transfer Of Occupational Health And Safety
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Todd.