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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo. Questions to Minister Arlooktoo. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Point of order. I asked the question to the Minister, what will he do in case a vote was passed in this House in conjunction to this project being cancelled and that is the end of it. He did not answer that question.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Mr. Krutko, I believe the Minister said that he did not want to prejudge the outcome of the vote. Therefore, he was not going to respond at this time. That was his answer. I move on to the next Member on my list. I have Mr. Ningark and Mr. Erasmus in that order. Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Minister of Public Works and Services... I cannot.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Could I ask the Members to be respectful of other Members speaking so that they have the attention of the Members of the House. Thank you. Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Yes, I deserve respect because I am older than most Members here. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the Minister of Public Works and Services' statement, he indicated, and I quote, "the residents of the Keewatin can look forward to some savings during the period when the new pipelines are being paid for. However, you will see a significant reduction in fuel prices after the five-year payback period." We are specifically talking about Keewatin.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Mr. Arlooktoo.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The way resupply contracts are issued in the north are in zones or in groups. There is the eastern Arctic resupply, which includes pretty much the whole of Baffin region and which includes Repulse Bay and part of Pelly Bay. There is Keewatin region, and then there is the Kitikmeot region These are stand alone, paying-for-themselves-type contracts. Therefore, there should not be significant changes to the Keewatin resupply as a result of this. Perhaps, in the future, as Nunavut evolves and savings for the Nunavut government are realized, the significant savings, I would expect that would make a difference in the general coffers of the Nunavut government, and therefore affect the Kitikmeot.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo. Before I move on again to Mr. Ningark, could I please ask the Members to show respect to those who are speaking and keep order in the House. After all, it was us that requested these people to be here. Mr. Ningark, your second question.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I think $65 million to $100 million is significant savings to the region for the Keewatin. Mr. Chairman, can the Minister tell this committee if any consultation or study was done on the possible impact of this initiative on other areas of the Northwest Territories like the Kitikmeot region? Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Mr. Arlooktoo, you wish to respond to that?

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

No, there were no studies or consultations. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you. I am going to have a difficult time supporting such initiative when Minister of the public government in public stated and I quote, "I say, we, because this improvement is the direct result of the partnership between MLAs and the Ministers working together on Keewatin resupply." Until such time that my region and the people I represent and the Nunasi Corporation are consulted thoroughly, I do not believe I am going to be able to support this initiative. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. There was no question there. You have one more question left, Mr. Ningark. Would you like to ask it?

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I had a strong feeling that this, a major project, was predetermined by the Cabinet or perhaps by a single Minister. I do not know. I think, Mr. Chairman, it would be interesting to find out which company in the Keewatin region would benefit from the construction and the maintenance of the proposed project. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Mr. Arlooktoo.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think the Member brought up some more than interesting things and I think it is important to say, very clearly, that we do not foresee, at all, that the Keewatin fuel resupply contract will have any effect on the Kitikmeot region. The concerns that I have heard expressed from Mr. Wilcox and Mr. Dillon are almost word for word what Mr. Clement, the president of NTCL, been telling us over the last few months since we have made the decision. I believe these were the same words pretty much as the Member for Hay River, had said. I understand that she is very responsibly trying to protect the company that is situated in Hay River and that has an important contribution to the economy there. But it is important for Members, I think, to try to understand the logic behind why we are doing it. I have tried to explain it over and over again. It is clear to me. Clear in my head and maybe I am the only one, but I have been able to convince Cabinet, and I know there is support in the Keewatin region except amongst some smaller circles. As far as who will get the work in the Keewatin region, that is yet to be determined, following the RFPs, but I would hope that it is a Keewatin company foremost and then a company from the Nunavut area second and the Northwest Territories third. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo. I now move on to the last person I have on my list, Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Mr. Chairman, I am having a hard time following this conversation. We have all been here for a little over 15 hours. I move we report progress.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. A motion is in order and is not debatable. All those in favour of the motion. Opposed. Thank you. Mr. Erasmus, your motion is defeated. Mr. Erasmus, you are next on my list. Do you have questions for the Minister?

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Mr. Chairman, in view of the fact that of all the, discussion with all the Members who are opposed to this particular venture, it is very difficult for me to support this. I think perhaps it is time for the Minister to attempt to put together some sort of a document and the rest of us can have a look at it. But at this particular time, I would not be able to support the project that has been discussed here for about the last two and one-half hours or whatever it was. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. There was no question there. Do you have a further question?

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Can I go home now?

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The Chair Vince Steen

I have no one else on my list. Can I get some direction from the committee. Does the committee agree that we are through questioning Mr. Arlooktoo?