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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I fully agree with Mr. Steen. I do not see any harm in postponing two Ministers until tomorrow if we agree to report progress at the time the next two Ministers... I would like to ask for clarification on how a motion to report progress after the next two Ministers would affect tomorrow's proceedings? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Right now, we are dealing with a motion. An original motion by Mr. Evaloarjuk. To the motion. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to know how many Ministers are left and what order they are in?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. As a motion was drawn we are dealing with Stephen Kakfwi and we have Madame Thompson following immediately after we conclude Mr. Kakfwi. Madame Thompson, Mr. Antoine, Mr. Arlooktoo and then Mr. Dent. We are still reviewing Mr. Kakfwi. So we have yet to review, one, two, three, four Ministers after Mr. Kakfwi. To the motion. Mr. Evaloarjuk.

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Mark Evaloarjuk Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was the originator of this motion, and I am speaking to this motion. I am not saying that I do not like the way the other Members were asking the Ministers. In fact, I am supporting their questioning. However, I do realize sometimes that if one Member is questioning a person another Member raises the

same question and the same Minister has to answer the same question over and over. We have been in here for two years now and everyday we meet in this House and have the opportunity to raise questions during question period. So I feel that sometimes we are duplicating some questions. We still have two years left to question the Ministers within this house. I thought I had the understanding that within two days we would be finished with this Mid-Term Review.

We have been meeting all day and then we meet right into the night. How many days have we been meeting here as the whole? If we can add up the hours that we were questioning yesterday and today, how many hours have we been here altogether now? We should be having hours from 9:00 to 5:00 and sometimes we have meetings from 1:30 to 6:00. I feel that we should be following the time that we have been allotted to deal with these issues. That is the reason I wanted to make a motion in this regard. I know that this motion might be defeated, however, I will not be feeling sorry for myself if this motion is defeated. I just wanted to say this for myself. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends)

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The Chair John Ningark

To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour of the motion? Is that six? Opposed? The motion is carried. There were six, five in favour of the motion.

--Applause

Thank you. We will continue with Mr. Kakfwi and with the old rules. I lost my list during the commotion. But I do have Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Erasmus are you on the list here?

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. One of the building blocks of the Agenda for Change was to take action on aboriginal issues, and I recognize that we did not appeal the Noel case when a Treaty 8 elder was hunting on the Ingraham Trail and in a no shooting zone and he won his case. But after he won his case and we did not appeal it, the government chose to move the no-shooting boundary closer to Prelude Lake on the Ingraham Trail, which is where most of the people live. Rather than respecting the aboriginal right so that you just do not prosecute the aboriginal people with the treaty right to hunt there, they move the whole boundary so that everybody could hunt there, which greatly increased the amount of hunters in that area than if they would have just allowed the aboriginal hunters to hunt there. What I would like to know is, why we moved the boundary back, closer to where most of the people live rather than just leaving it where it was and not prosecuting the people with the treaty right to hunt? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you. Mr. Chairman, it has been some time since I dealt with the specifics of that case and we were working on it with the Department of Justice, but as I recall, the proposition was made with the attendance of the Chiefs in this area. I believe the Metis were involved as well. We thought that would constitute a workable compromise, seeing as we were dealing with the primary concern, which was safety for everyone concerned. Secondly, not wanting to confront, or appear to damage the integrity of the aboriginal peoples' right to hunt in this area. We thought the pursuit of the issue of safety, as well as trying to still respect the aboriginal right to hunt, that would be a workable arrangement. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Mr. Chairman, with all due respect, I was in a couple of meetings where the band was indicating that they wanted the boundary to remain in place, and just not to be prosecuted up to where they did actually move the line. But, my next question is in the area of commercial hunting and fishing treaty rights. Recent cases in the south with treaty Indian people indicate that commercial hunting and fishing are treaty rights that are protected by the constitution because people were commercially hunting and commercially fishing at the time the treaties were made. I would like to know if this government has done anything to respect the commercial right to hunt and fish by the treaty people in the Northwest Territories?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Question number three. Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, no we have not done anything specific in regard to those court cases that the Member is referring to. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus, I would like to apologize, that was actually question number two. Question number three, Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Would the Minister commit to having his staff investigate these court cases, look into them and see if there is any way we can assist the treaty people in the Northwest Territories so that they can actually exercise their treaty right to commercially hunt and fish? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Minister, Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would be happy to do that. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Question, Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Earlier, the honourable Minister indicated, I believe it was to Mr. Ootes, under questioning he indicated he may be willing to fund the tourism associations if the Members contributed to their costs. I was wondering if the Minister has conveyed this message to the association, and if he has not, will he do so?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Yes, thank you. Mr. Chairman, I have attended a meeting of the tourism group and I have addressed the Members last spring. I conveyed very clearly, also in writing, what the expectations are. So that has been done. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will give the rest of my questions to Mr. Picco.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. For the record you still have four questions if you want to ask the Minister later on. Mr. Krutko indicated that he wanted to ask questions. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question to the Minister is in regard to the Gwich'in Land Claim and also the Sahtu Agreement that allows for a review process to take place between the aboriginal organizations and this government in regard to reviewing programs and services, especially in regard to economic development. To ensure the viability and exactly how they are benefiting specific organizations, could the Minister tell me if as the Minister has his department made an effort to ensure that these activities are carried out to review and look at programs and services, especially in regard to economic development with the aboriginal organizations?