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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, as the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs my responsibility is to be aware of the treaty and aboriginal rights and see that they are protected for aboriginal people. Whenever there is an initiative by an aboriginal First Nation organization in dealing with their rights, we respect that and we view those sort of discussions should really be with the First Nations and the federal government wherever there is a dispute in this regard.

As for my role in this government in regard to policies and regulations that are being put forward by the different departments that are viewed by aboriginal people as infringing on their treaty and aboriginal rights, we feel that has to be looked at in the area. The members of the Cabinet are aware of it. I think when the different Ministers participate with their counterparts, there are fiduciary responsibilities of the federal government towards aboriginal people. It is always mentioned. As my colleagues are aware of that and during the discussions internally in regard to putting legislation forward, there are usually some of our officials that participate internally in these discussions and Aboriginal Affairs is involved in all the areas that affects the aboriginal people.

We have officials, mainly the deputy minister plays a key role in that area, when they deal with his counterparts in regard to development of policy and legislation. There is a real need to look at these grey areas that exist between this government and aboriginal people. I think earlier on in our term we were able to meet with the aboriginal leaders and sit down. We have had a mean number of meetings, even the Premier and I have been able to sit down with the Aboriginal Summit leaders whenever they meet. We have general discussion on areas of mutual concern. That is a good forum to address the concerns that you mentioned today. I think there are a number of initiatives I could say that I have done to ensure that aboriginal rights and concerns that come from aboriginal people are taken seriously in consideration by this government. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My other question deals with the respect that the committees have in regard to their responsibilities they have which you fall under. As chairman of the Resource Committee I feel that there are times that we feel like we are being left in the dark, especially in regard to decisions that we discussed in committee and reports that we tabled in this House and especially in regard to decisions we feel are made especially in regard to the whole area of airports and the Rankin Inlet tank farm.

We seem to come to the conclusion that a lot of these items are put to rest, and then they seem to be reborn through another avenue. It is either transferred to another department or else it is put forth through a supplementary appropriation which undermines the authority or responsibility we have within committee structures that we have created, especially, when you find out there is $400,000 in a particular riding, yet it was not even discussed in committee. There is such an outcry for airports especially from the eastern communities to assist them in upgrading their airports, yet we find funds being spent on airports which are passed through supplementary and not brought forth to the respected committees.

I feel frustrated at times that we have spent all our time and energy reneging on a lot of things we thought were put to rest and agreed to, especially in the area of the Rankin Inlet tank farm and then in regard to the public hearings that were held on the issue, in which there were recommendations made and then basically coming forth to this House. Then we find there are things that pop up in supplementary appropriation where it was never discussed within the committees. As the Minister responsible for those portfolios, do you think that is fair, being dealt with in that matter? Why was that?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

First of all, Mr. Chairman, if that is the view of the committee, then I apologize for it. That was not the intention to deal with you in that manner. I think that over the course of the last couple of years, some of the items you mentioned are on going different scenarios, especially the Rankin Inlet tank farm situation. There is a process that we went through as a government, as this department and we went before you and I tried to explain the best we could. We had briefings and laid everything down. I thought it was as clear as possible in that area. We knew certain things were still there and had to carry on. The intention was not to deal with you in an unfair manner, and I do not think I have done that. I think I try to be honest and fair and up front as much as possible.

In regard to the authority of this department, this department here, like I said, has taken quite a drastic cut in its overall budget, and there are projects that generally we have every year, and there are some projects that have successfully come in under the original estimated budget, so we have a surplus there. But again, not all projects come exactly right on budget. The nature of this department is that we are dealing with a lot of cases with the environment, weather conditions and so forth. So there are projects, let us say, airports, where there are at times maybe a contractor, maybe their bid may come way below what we anticipate the budget might be so we have a surplus. In some areas there will be areas where there are budget overruns, for example the section of highway between Rae and Providence, the contractor was not successful in completing that section this year so we are going to have to take a look at it, if they have expended all that is in the contract, I am saying that we stick to our contract. However, there are conditions where we may have to find some sort of funding from within the department from another project so that is the nature of this department. If you go back into the history of this department, this department was able to always do that, to move money around internally and whenever we did that, as soon as I knew we were going to have to do that, I wrote to the MLAs that were concerned about it, and then I notified the Chair of the standing committee concerned, and that is what we have done. We try to keep everybody informed as much as possible. I do not know what more we can do in that area.

Again, getting back to the Rankin Inlet tank farm, I would like to know specifically what the concern is there so that I could specifically try to explain that situation. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Question number three, Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My next question deals with the integrity of the department especially in regard to the whole issue that surfaced a year ago about particular work that was done on the highway especially in regard to your constituency, referring to some $800,000 that was earmarked for repaving of Highway 1B, which is basically in Mr. Gargan's riding. It was reallocated and ended up having the majority of that money being spent in your riding in which it was used to pave an access road of a subdivision into Fort Simpson. In regard to that issue, that item was not even in the five-year capital plan. I would like to know exactly, is this the practice of this department and this government in regard to the way they operate or have there been safeguards put in place to ensure that this never happens again? I would like to ask the Minister what action has been taken to ensure that this does not happen so that those projects that are earmarked for those particular ridings at the appropriate Members of the Legislature for those particular ridings have the first dibs on exactly what happens, that this does not happen again. So what safeguards have been taken to ensure that does not happen?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, there are safeguards in place on the recommendation of the standing committee and the Ordinary Members, any project that is $250,000 or more the standing committee has to be notified. So there are safeguards in place. I think that prior to that when the safeguards were not in place there were certain projects, particularly the one the honourable Member mentioned, came about. The practice of the department is that kind of practice no longer exists and that any time that any project is going to get moved, no matter how small it is, even below $250,000, the Members that are affected, we notify them as quickly as we can, the Chairman of the standing committee responsible also gets notified. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The final question, Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regards to the whole idea of safeguards and the $250,000 margin, if anything over and above that was going to be spent is supposed to be taken to committee, I would like to ask the Minister why was there a supplementary appropriation in regard to your Department of Transportation airports for $400,000 for forward operating locating system for Rankin Inlet? In the supplementary which has just approved which was over $250,000, why was that not taken forth to the committee?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, if the honourable Member could be more clear on that I would appreciate it. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Although the honourable Member's question was the final I will allow him to repeat the question to be more precise. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am talking in regard to Supplementary Appropriation Number 2. It was tabled October 9th. There was an allocation for $400,000 to your Department Transportation, airports, which was basically over the $250,000 that you have mentioned where notice has to be given to the particular committees to ensure that we are responsible and that is page 15 of the supp and it is in regard to the forward operating locator in Rankin Inlet. Why was the committee not forewarned that this was going to be part of the supplementary, if it is over $250,000?

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, this particular item that the honourable Member is mentioning is a work that we are doing on behalf of the federal

government where we get that reimbursed from the federal government for doing work for them. It is a vote 4/5 arrangement, so it is something that is in the supplementary appropriation. However, we get it back after we do the work for the federal government. It does not take away from any existing budgets or anything. We did not take it from any other projects in the department. It s new money that we get from the federal government after we do the work. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I have Mrs. Groenewegen.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I did not want to let this opportunity pass without making some comment on what I perceive Mr. Antoine's performance to be during the past two years as Minister of the departments that he oversees. I believe that as a new Minister we elected to Cabinet that Mr. Antoine has shown consistency, and he treats his office and his duties with a great deal of respect. I also believe he has excellent communication skills, and I observe in the communities that he works with his departments that come before our committee. I have observed that he has never taken offence at any line of questioning and never responds in a defensive manner. Just in closing I would just like to say that it is a pleasure to work with a Minister of Mr. Antoine's stature and I look forward to working with him in the future. No questions. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. There is no name on the list at this point so I am now, do we agree that our review of Mr. Antoine, Minister for Transportation is concluded? Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, since Mrs. Groenewegen is throwing out bouquets I feel that I might as well jump on the bandwagon. I do not have any questions, I will save the questions for later on, but I also would like to make reference to the dealings that I have had with Mr. Antoine and the way that he approached the questions in the House. When you ask him a question, you get an answer. It is a civilised, reasonable, complete answer, and I think that is something that we would like to see more of. So hat's off to Mr. Antoine.

--Applause

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. This was a question period so I will then take it that the review of Mr. Antoine is concluded. Thank you. What do we wish? Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That we continue and I believe Mr. Arlooktoo, the Deputy Premier and Minister of Public Works and Services is our next Minister.

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The Chair John Ningark

Yes, I am just about leaving the Chair here if one of my co-chairs will replace me. Thank you, Are you ready Mr. Minister?

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Yes, I am ready to go.