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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the second part of that statement says it monitors western constitutional development. I wonder if the Minister can indicate to me whether his department monitors the constitutional development, or whether it co-ordinates the constitutional development?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Constitutional Working Group co-ordinates the western constitutional development. As the western Caucus, we have made a partnership arrangement with the aboriginal leaders, and now we also have the women's organizations involved, NWT Association of Municipalities, and we have other interest groups that are also very interested. Generally the constitutional working group co-ordinates this whole process. We, on the other hand, as GNWT, are monitoring this process on behalf of the GNWT and so hopefully that clarifies the question. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Aboriginal Affairs. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, does the department also sponsor constitutional development?

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The Chair John Ningark

Qujannamiik. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, we are sponsoring the process through funding arrangements with GNWT. We are providing funding towards the next phase, which is the consultation phase. We have also been approaching the federal government in securing some funds for their share of this process. We have also provided in client help, there is lack of funding in this process so we provide that. The only type of sponsorship we are providing here is in terms of resources and we would like to see the Constitutional Working Group itself do the actual work and at the same time, we monitor that whole process. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Operations and maintenance. Total operations and maintenance is $2,377,000. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, does the Minister agree then, that the responsibility of the territorial government is to, not only monitor, but sponsor constitutional development and also, is the territorial government also then responsible for settling outstanding land claims?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Perhaps, a partnership would be a term to use. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Yes, this ministry here monitors the western constitutional development. We represent the government in that whole process by providing and trying to find the funds to make this thing work. The only sparse sponsorship that we have to provide the funds. At the same time we have in kind support. We have people on staff that have certain expertise such as constitutional lawyers and different people that have expertise in this area. So we are sponsoring it in that sense. In regards to settling outstanding lands claims, the land claims is initiated between the aboriginal organization, the aboriginal First Nations and the federal government. That is the land claims. They are dealing with land and resource issues and trying to bring certainty to that. We, as the government, know these territories. We have been part of that whole process. It is mainly between the federal government and the aboriginal people to settle these outstanding claims. We are encouraging that process. We are encouraging, we are supportive of the whole land claims process. We try to facilitate it. At the same time we also have to protect the interest of the NWT at the table, so real major discrepancies to the GNWT and the Northwest Territories do not happen. So we are there representing the interest of the NWT at this table. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Total operations and maintenance. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, there seems to be a fine line between this government's responsibility to settle outstanding land claims versus the federal government's responsibility. The suggestion by the Minister it is up to this government to bring the two groups together, the federal government and the aboriginal groups. Now in the first instance, it is the aboriginal group that puts forward a claim to the feds. It can be, therefore, assumed that they will follow through with that and the feds will respond. Now, I can understand where this government gets involved in regard to territorial responsibilities and how the negotiations are going to affect those responsibilities, but I have a problem with the Minister suggesting that it is the responsibility of the territorial government to bring these two groups together. I am under the impression that started from the first place. Are you suggesting that we put forward money in order to bring these two groups together?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am not suggesting that we put money forward to get the groups together. According to our policies, we support the land claims process in the Northwest Territories. We have done that all along with Inuvialuit, the Inuit with the Nunavut claims. You name it. All the claims that were settled. This government was instrumental in making sure that this came about. We provided the support in the form of encouragement and facilitating and to make sure that things moved along. So you need to have that type of environment for claims to be settled. That is what I meant. We are there to try to get the groups together and to facilitate it. If there was total opposition from the government for any claims, I do not think that we would see the type of claims that we have today. I think we would be still probably negotiating a lot of them, but then the direction here from the people and all the different interest groups in the north is that the people in the north see finalization of all the land claims in the Northwest Territories. So that once we have certainty to who owns the land then we could move along and so forth. I think, just to recap and simplify my answer, is that yes we are there in the form of facilitators. I am not talking about providing funds to get the groups together.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Total operations and maintenance, $2,377,000. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Total expenditures for this page, $2,377,000. Agreed. Do I hear agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. That is better. Page 02-47, details of grants and contributions. Grants, total grants is $225,000. Agreed. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regards to the grants of $225,000, I would like to put a motion forth to increase it to the previous funding which was $250,000. In regards to the Metis Nation, as a lot of you may not know, it was established in the 1970s in relation to the Dene Nation and the comprehensive claims process which proceeded from the 1970s to the late 1980s in which the main purpose was to represent Metis people in the Northwest Territories. There is a difference between a treaty Indian and a status Indian and a Metis which myself, I will use as an example. I am presently enrolled in the Gwich'in claim, yet I am associated with the Metis Nation because of my status because I am a Metis and I am not a status Indian. I do not receive benefits as treaty Indian or an Inuit. Yet, I am recognized as an aboriginal person under section 35 of the Canadian Constitution. But, in order for me to receive benefits in relation to health and dental, those benefits as a Metis, presently the Metis Nation carrying out the health benefit program for Metis such as myself, yet I am enrolled in a comprehensive claim. I do not at the present time have the same rights as other Gwich'in members who may be treaty members which they receive benefits as a treaty Indians. But as a Metis we do not receive those. As it sits right now, the Metis Nation presently is carrying out that program for Metis people such as myself to receive dental, medical and also insurance through a program that they have worked on through this government. Also with the settlement or the downfall of the Dene/Metis claims process, a lot of the Metis organizations have taken the initiatives to negotiate claims on their own outside the umbrella of the Metis Nation. The Metis Nation's main role is to preserve their culture and the program delivery on behalf of their membership which at the present date consists of 14 locals up and down the

Mackenzie Valley from Inuvik or Aklavik all the way to Fort Liard over to Fort Smith and also in Yellowknife.

There is also the cultural side of the Metis culture which has presently been preserved through the Metis Cultural Institute which is another arm of the organization. People have to realize that there are Metis people anywhere across Canada that are recognized as aboriginal people in the context of the constitution, section 35, but yet they are still treated differently as other aboriginal people especially in relation to programs and services. My motion will address the question, similar to the motion that passed in relation to the Status of Women and the Native Women's Association to establish the same amount of funding that they have been receiving over the last two years, to increase it by $25,000 to the previous mark $250,000.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Do you wish to proceed with the motion, Mr. Krutko?

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Do I have a quorum?

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The Chair John Ningark

We do not need it right now. But if you want a quorum at this time, I will ring the bell. But, you do not need the quorum at this time to make the motion, but we will need a quorum once a motion is read into the record. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that the committee strongly recommends that the government reconsider its decision to reduce funding to the Metis Nation and further that the government amend Bill 8, Appropriation Act, 1997-98 by adding $25,000 to the 1997-98 grant to be identified for the Metis Nation. Thank you.