The Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Ng.
Debates of Feb. 13th, 1997
Topics
Question 316-13(4): Hospital Construction Timelines
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
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Question 316-13(4): Hospital Construction Timelines
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the honourable Member knows, I asked that the planning for the facilities, both in Iqaluit and Inuvik, stop temporarily while the strategic planning process was to be initiated. It would depend on some of the recommendations that might be coming forward from the strategic planning exercise to see what types of facilities, what types of programs would be recommended to be provided in the situation of both the capital facilities. I had recently met with the chairs of both of the Baffin Regional Health Board, as well as the Inuvik Health Board, to talk about that exact issue, about when they could get on with starting some of their planning for their facilities. It was agreed that they would come back to us, back to the Department of Health and Social Services, to myself, with some proposed time lines and some proposed monetary requirements to put that into effect. Mr. Speaker, I understand that we have recently received that information, so we will be assessing it and hopefully bringing forward a proposal to those two boards, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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Question 316-13(4): Hospital Construction Timelines
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Roland.
Supplementary To Question 316-13(4): Hospital Construction Timelines
Question 316-13(4): Hospital Construction Timelines
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister inform us or give us an idea of when we might be able to take some information back to the communities to inform the people that are concerned with what is going to happen with the new hospital? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 316-13(4): Hospital Construction Timelines
Question 316-13(4): Hospital Construction Timelines
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Ng.
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Question 316-13(4): Hospital Construction Timelines
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have not had an opportunity to discuss what proposals that come from both of those health boards, in respect to their projects, with my staff yet. I will commit to doing that in the next couple of days and try to give the honourable Member an indication of what kind of time lines we could be looking at Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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Question 316-13(4): Hospital Construction Timelines
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko.
Question 317-13(4): Negotiated Contracts
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier regarding the whole question about negotiating contracts. Is it the ambition of this government to change the present course of negotiated contracts that we are under? If you are, have you stated your decision to the aboriginal organizations when, presently, there are sections of different land claim agreements, such as the Nunavut Agreement. I believe it is article 24, the Inuvialuit participation agreements. You have the Gwich'in economic agreements and the same with the Sahtu. This government is intending to change those agreements. Are you committed to sitting down with the federal government to reopen all those land claim agreements?
Question 317-13(4): Negotiated Contracts
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
I heard two questions. Mr. Premier.
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Question 317-13(4): Negotiated Contracts
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One thing we do know as a government is that, when you do have something good that works and employs our people, creates economic development in our communities and that employs aboriginal people in our communities, you should not push it aside. You should continue on that road. I have been a Member of the Legislative Assembly going on 10 years now. One of the main reasons that I ran and many Members ran from small communities, is to change the way that the government worked. In the past, we have seen many times businesses from outside our communities come into our communities, build buildings and leave, leaving very little economic benefit in our communities. I remember some capital projects in my community, for example Mr. Speaker, that as little as one percent was left to the community after the job was done. That was many years ago. Since then, we have increased that percentage by a great deal. We have negotiated more contracts through this government. We do not intend on changing the course. I fully understand the NWT Construction Association and this government have a disagreement on what a negotiated contract is and how it affects and how it supports different companies in the Northwest Territories. As far as I am concerned and Cabinet is concerned, we will continue to negotiate contracts. We will continue to get value for our money. We will continue to train people in our communities and create new business opportunities for those people in the majority of level three communities. Thank you.
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Question 317-13(4): Negotiated Contracts
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.
Supplementary To Question 317-13(4): Negotiated Contracts
Question 317-13(4): Negotiated Contracts
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to the whole idea of negotiating contracts, everyone may think that there are profits being made. In some instances, people are basically breaking even or even losing money on these contracts. I do not think that people are aware of those cases. Could the Premier tell me if he is aware of these instances, where people with negotiated contracts have lost money versus everybody thinks it is the gravy train where everybody gets. It is a money making machine in which there are some cases they lose money. Are you aware of those cases?
Supplementary To Question 317-13(4): Negotiated Contracts
Question 317-13(4): Negotiated Contracts
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Morin.
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Question 317-13(4): Negotiated Contracts
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February 12th, 1997
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not aware of any case where companies or development corporations have lost money on a negotiated contract totally. Our
government sits down and facilitates a negotiated contract, for example, with the Gwich'in people on the highway maintenance or the building of buildings. It is a fairly tight negotiation. We always get complaints from the aboriginal groups that our government people are too tough to negotiate with. They do not allow them enough of a profit margin, for example. We keep pretty strong ties on negotiated contracts. We keep a very close eye on them as well. We try to make sure that we do get value for dollars. But what is most important is that all Members must remember back to the days 18 months ago when you did get elected, that we were given presentations in Caucus at that time about the economic conditions of the Northwest Territories. If you look back over the four previous years, the best economic indicator that we had where we had growth was through negotiated contracts as well as the manufacturing policy. That was the only great blip in the chart that we saw that says that what government was doing was right and was good. Communities were benefitting and people were benefitting, or the majority of that money would have ended up probably in Yellowknife or major contractors in the north.
I know that in the past we have had a great amount of disagreement with the NWT Construction Association. As previous Minister of DPW, Mr. Speaker, I talked to many contractors throughout the north. They did not agree with what the NWT Construction Association, basically the executive director, was saying. He was not representing all the contractors throughout the Northwest Territories. In general, the feedback I have received over the years, is business people, in general, support negotiated contracts in those communities in which we are doing it. Thank you.
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Question 317-13(4): Negotiated Contracts
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to the whole idea of land claim agreements and negotiated contracts on how they fit together, is this government willing to look at sections, in the case of the Gwich'in, in regards to our section eight, economic measures section, in which I do not think it has been clearly identified what that clause states, which could be a lot more lucrative to the aboriginal organization on negotiated contracts? Is this government willing to sit down and identify exactly what is in those land claims agreements and implement them in regards to the benefits versus the negotiated contracts, which are presently in place and which can override the negotiated contract process?
Supplementary To Question 317-13(4): Negotiated Contracts
Question 317-13(4): Negotiated Contracts
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Morin.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We took a long hard look at that previously as well. I am willing to revisit that issue through the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs as lead Minister, but we did take a look at it. I remember taking a look at that whole issue. My understanding, and the information that we had available to us at that time, is that what we are doing as a government, we are doing it for the right reasons; to create employment and create benefits to the community. If you are going to spend millions of dollars in a community, as much money should be left there as possible, so that those people can actually benefit. As far as the land claims agreements go, we have come out with a fairly clear direction on article 24 for the Nunavut claim of how we do things. My understanding is that with us dealing with the existing policies and existing programs and the negotiated contracts, the way we deal right now meets our obligation under the other claims as well. That is the understanding I have right now. Thank you.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco.
Question 318-13(4): Privatization Policies
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a statesmanlike question today for the Premier. Yesterday, in questions to the Minister of DPW on the privatization issues and the policies that we are looking at, he quoted from the policy that was tabled in this House, Tabled Document 46-13(4). My question to the Premier today is, our policies that we have in place for this government, the policies that we use, yesterday it was said that this was a redundant policy, but then we are actually quoting from it. So can the Premier tell me about the policies that are in place, are they just for this year for the 13th Assembly? Or are there policies that go back to 85, 87, 89? How does it work? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 318-13(4): Privatization Policies
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Premier.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess whether it is a policy that was developed in 1909 or 1985, it would be on the books until Cabinet actually makes the decision to strike that policy from the books. That is how it works. Thank you.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco.
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In that case, if it is still on the books, then I would assume then that the government would use that policy that is on the books. If that is the case, if I understood the Premier correctly, will he confirm to me that this document, which is the policy on the books which is tabled in this House as a tabled document, is the policy for privatization that they are following. Is that correct?
Supplementary To Question 318-13(4): Privatization Policies
Question 318-13(4): Privatization Policies
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Morin.