Thank you. The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development. Mr. Kakfwi.
Debates of Feb. 19th, 1997
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Question 344-13(4): Mining Regulatory Review
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
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Question 344-13(4): Mining Regulatory Review
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I cannot tell the Member at this time, exactly what the timeframes for the review are, specifically the review of those regulations that affect the mining industry. I will take the question as notice and prepare a more thorough response to the question.
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Question 344-13(4): Mining Regulatory Review
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger.
Question 345-13(4): Incremental Costs For Division
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance who is looking after division-related issues. Could the Minister indicate, as a result of his meeting in Cambridge Bay this past weekend and time with Mr. Irwin, whether there was any discussion on finances, in regards to the incremental costs? I do not want to interrupt the conversation between you and the Deputy Premier, but if the Minister could indicate what kind of discussions he had with Mr. Martin in regards to costs related to division, specifically incremental costs? Thank you.
Question 345-13(4): Incremental Costs For Division
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
The Minister of Finance, Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. An electrifying question. Mr. Speaker, unfortunately in terms of the public discussion, I think it would be fair to say that I felt a little disappointed that there was not more discussion on the fiscal framework, as to the new Nunavut government. However, in terms of my discussions with Mr. Irwin, I think there is clearly a recognition on the part of the federal government that we have to move as quickly as we can to start the discussions. The one thing there was agreement on at the meeting, which I was pleased with, was that NTI, NIC and ourselves concurred that we would, in partnership, move quickly to cost the NIC model, which is showing a decentralized model of government. We would hopefully, when we work out the details, sign off on the costs, in terms of what we think it is going to cost. Then we would move quickly to the negotiating table with the federal government. I think it would be fair to say that there was not as much debate or discussion on the fiscal side of things than I would have liked to have seen. Thank you.
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Question 345-13(4): Incremental Costs For Division
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger.
Supplementary To Question 345-13(4): Incremental Costs For Division
Question 345-13(4): Incremental Costs For Division
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate whether Mr. Irwin gave any indication at all, that would dissuade people from thinking that it is a blank cheque, when it comes to the costs of running the two new territories, and that incremental costs are going to be there for the taking and, in fact, that probably will not the case? There is going to be a limited, fixed pot of money. Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 345-13(4): Incremental Costs For Division
Question 345-13(4): Incremental Costs For Division
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
I hate to disappoint my colleague, because I was equally disappointed, I guess. It really did not get to that level of debate. The agenda was preoccupied with
other matters, and I think that it was unfortunate. I think there was a general consensus, though, that the fiscal requirements of Nunavut are extremely important, by all parties. At the risk of repeating myself, I was encouraged with the fact that all parties had prepared to cooperate in quickly funding the NIC model, with some modifications that NTI has recommended, so that we have got a number that is clear. We will be able to identify the incremental costs within that number, and we will then be able to move to the federal government and see if, in fact, the political and fiscal will is there to finance the model that does have the support of all three parties. Thank you.
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Question 345-13(4): Incremental Costs For Division
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger.
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Question 345-13(4): Incremental Costs For Division
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Out of this particular discussion, which is gratifying to hear was one of cooperation and good fellowship, were there any timeframes put to that plan to move along, hand in hand, down the road to division, putting figures to the various types of models put forward so that we will have an idea, at some point in the near future, what kind of money we are looking at? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 345-13(4): Incremental Costs For Division
Question 345-13(4): Incremental Costs For Division
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
As we speak, Mr. Speaker, my staff are drafting letters inviting the NTI, as our partner, and the NIC, as our consultant advisors, suggesting that they designate officials to work with our officials, the FMBS and the Division Secretariat, to move as quickly as we can to determine what the costs are. If we get a good spurt of cooperation, I was advised by Mr. Voytilla just moments ago, that we feel we could probably put the costs attached to this model by April. We will move from there to see if the federal government and others are prepared to cooperate, and find the appropriate fiscal resources to pay for it. Thank you.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger.
Supplementary To Question 345-13(4): Incremental Costs For Division
Question 345-13(4): Incremental Costs For Division
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Minister and his staff are embarking upon this most productive exercise, will they, as well, be looking at a similar exercise in the west? I would suggest it would be easier to establish the benchmark costs that would help clearly determine, for the people of Nunavut, what are reasonable expectations in terms of the dollars required. Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 345-13(4): Incremental Costs For Division
Question 345-13(4): Incremental Costs For Division
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Mr. Speaker, my colleague must have been involved in the drafting of the call letter I sent out to the Ministers and to the deputy ministers. That is the approach we want to take. We have a model; we will use the status quo for the time being, because that is what we have in place in the west. You cannot cost the east without costing the west. You cannot go east unless you go west. The intent is for us to cost both of these as we move forward. We have consensus now on an acceptance of the NIC model, subject to our position, of course, and subject to the federal government providing adequate resources and, more importantly, adequate incremental resources to move forward on this creative decentralized model that we all support. Thank you.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Oral questions. Mr. Roland.
Question 346-13(4): Utilidor System In Inuvik
Item 6: Oral Questions
February 18th, 1997
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be directed to the Minister responsible for Finance, FMB. Mr. Speaker, I raised in the House, during this session, questions on the high/temp system, or the hot water temperature system in Inuvik in the utilidor, which is owned by this government. Mr. Speaker, I have done some work in this area, and I have concerns with the proposed rate increase there. A rate increase of approximately 60 percent is being proposed, due to the number of customers that are coming off the system. The rate increase will affect not only private people and businesses, but government as well. In this day of user say/user pay, I am concerned some facilities will have a difficult time in making their payments. Seventy percent of the people on the system are GNWT facilities. There have been a number of studies done by this government. I would like to know if the Minister of Finance is aware of any of the studies and work that has been done on this system? Thank you.
Question 346-13(4): Utilidor System In Inuvik
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
The Minister of Finance. Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My honourable colleague, always vigilant with his constituency in Inuvik. Of course, this is a very reasonable question. Mr. Speaker, I did receive a letter from my colleague on the issue. What we are doing is looking at options that may be able to assist the community of Inuvik with this difficult, fiscal problem. There is less utilization of that utilidor and, of course, the associated power plus system. I do not have an answer today in terms of where we are going to go on this. I want to assure my colleague that we are looking at alternatives, and are keenly interested in ensuring that affordability of housing, and the ability for people to pay the associated costs of the operation of the houses et cetera, is of fundamental importance to us. At the same, trying to find alternatives for the householders. Mr. Speaker, we are looking at alternatives. I do not have the answer today, but we will get there soon. We will work it in conjunction with my honourable colleague who has raised this important issue with me. Thank you.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Roland.
Supplementary To Question 346-13(4): Utilidor System In Inuvik
Question 346-13(4): Utilidor System In Inuvik
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am glad to hear that options will be looked at and that it will begin shortly. I would just like to know from the Minister, once this work begins, will it include the community of Inuvik, the leaders of Inuvik, to be tied into this process? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 346-13(4): Utilidor System In Inuvik
Question 346-13(4): Utilidor System In Inuvik
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Todd.