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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, it is primarily a medical decision on whether or not to send out a patient and there is normally a medical referral unit in each board that makes those types of decisions. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Operations and maintenance. Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like if the Minister could, I know he had responded to Mr. Roland that he did not have the information from previous years, but would he at least have the cost in this medical year? What was budgeted for medical travel in the present fiscal year we are in as opposed to what he is proposing for the new budget. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will give the total amount for the '96/97 year budget was $17,499,000. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Minister, your microphone was off. Could you repeat the last line, please. Mr. Minister.

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

$17,499,000 for the '96/97 year. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Support and health services administration. Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There was $17 million the Minister tells us in the '96/97 year in the main estimates. What is it projected to finish up at, by March 31st, after supplementary appropriations and so forth. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

I will let Mr. Ramsden speak to it. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Ramsden.

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Ramsden

I think what would be appropriate for tomorrow, we can provide some information that shows the projections by board. It was recognized early on in the fiscal year that the amount of money that we allocated each board was insufficient given that we obliged them to seek significant price decreases in each of the areas of medical travel. In order to reconcile to the numbers in terms of activities summary, we have to look to the costs that are included in the medical travel area for group homes, Larga, the referral service that is included in that area. I think it would be appropriate to provide some projection, board by board, which we do not have with us, but we can provide for tomorrow.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Operations and maintenance. Total operations and maintenance is - I have final supplementary, Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I look forward to that information tomorrow. I think there are some questions that need to be answered, as the government has to look at ways to control this expenditure. It just keeps going and going. On the question of the Med-Emerg contract, I had asked at least a week ago a question in the House for information regarding this contract, and the Minister alluded today that he would try and get that information for me tomorrow morning. I was hoping that it would be a matter of photocopying the information. I would suspect the terms of reference were prepared before the contract was let. I would hope that an explanation of how the decision was arrived at to use outside consultants and the cost. I would hope that would all have been available. I look forward to receiving that tomorrow morning. I will wait with those questions that I have in this particular area until that information is provided tomorrow. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I take it that that is noted by the Minister and his officials. I have the honourable Member for Thebacha, Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would just like to make the comment that though it has been made in our reports as well, just to emphasize, when you look at this particular activity, support and health services administration, the only information in the main estimates is $98 million. It would be very difficult for anybody that does not have access to the background information that we have, and that we have provided to ask anything meaningful. I know the Minister is only following the direction of FMBS, but I want to make the point again that this is a public document, we are a public government, we should be providing enough information for people to have a meaningful understanding of the kind of money we are spending. Hundred million dollar chunks of cash is a lot of money to just have no information on. My question, Mr. Chairman, is in relation to the Tabled Document 30-13(4) tabled on January 31st which details activities by

task. In particular, I would just like the Minister to explain the increase under information systems, task 6913, from '96/97 to this current year.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

I will ask Mr. Ramsden to speak to it please. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The deputy minister, Mr. Ramsden.

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Ramsden

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This increase is specifically related to the roll out of the community based information collection and data management systems, primarily in the areas of encounters with the health and social service system. The system that we are calling Wellcom, which is intended to be a health centre based system that will allow for the collection of information on each encounter by a patient, and track the services that are provided to that person, linked to medical travel, so that we can provide linkage to both the cost of travel and the reasons for travel, the services provided to the person when they are out of their community. It also includes the initial stages of implementation of the child welfare information system, and some amount of equipment in both the Baffin and Inuvik to support the initial pilot programs in telehealth, telemedicine as well. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There was a government informatics strategy, there was a government wide initiative. Could the Minister indicate whether there is a departmental strategy that links these different areas that the deputy Minister touched on? The Wellcom system, the start for the child welfare system, in the attempt to integrate social service in the medical side of the department. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I am getting a signal from the honourable Minister that Mr. Ramsden will respond. Mr. Ramsden.