Mr. Steen is looking up the total grants and contributions for the department, that is on 11-25. That is the reason the figures are different.
Debates of Feb. 26th, 1997
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Committee Motion 27-13(4): Recommendation To Return Funding For The NWT Arctic Tourism Association To Historical Levels
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Committee Motion 27-13(4): Recommendation To Return Funding For The NWT Arctic Tourism Association To Historical Levels
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Resource management, economic development. Mr. Steen, you have another question for the Minister? Mr. Steen.
Committee Motion 27-13(4): Recommendation To Return Funding For The NWT Arctic Tourism Association To Historical Levels
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Committee Motion 27-13(4): Recommendation To Return Funding For The NWT Arctic Tourism Association To Historical Levels
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. I have Mr. Krutko.
Committee Motion 27-13(4): Recommendation To Return Funding For The NWT Arctic Tourism Association To Historical Levels
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. One of the things noted by the committees on the $1,362,000 which is identified as mineral, oil, and gas consultant funds, out of that, almost 80 percent of that fund is being spent at headquarters level. One of the questions raised is in regards to distribution of those funds on a more equitable matter to other areas and all communities and regions, especially in regards to the large mineral exploration activity that is happening from the Yellowknife area all the way up to the High Arctic, oil and gas activity in the Cameron Hills area, Fort Liard, Mackenzie Delta, and the Sahtu. What has the Minister done to ensure there is a more equitable way of distributing funds to the other regions so they can be involved in the consultation with industry, oil and gas, and mineral companies? Thank you.
Committee Motion 27-13(4): Recommendation To Return Funding For The NWT Arctic Tourism Association To Historical Levels
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The Chair John Ningark
Qujannamiik. Mr. Minister.
Committee Motion 27-13(4): Recommendation To Return Funding For The NWT Arctic Tourism Association To Historical Levels
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have done some work in this area. For instance. It has come back from a one day visit to Calgary to meet companies actively working in the territories, meeting with some people who are expressing an interest in renewed activity up here, as well as people from the regulatory regimes that have some issues and concerns, as well as some from the environmental sector. In the Deh Cho, we inquired about the willingness of the communities to look at working in partnership with industry and the communities on a regional basis, along with ourselves, through a DIS type of model. Some resources can be channelled to communities to work in promoting oil and gas activities and their own particular interests in the Beaufort and Mackenzie Delta. At this time, there is almost no interest from industry to engage on an active basis in any type of work. We are uncertain as to what money would be useful to provide to communities to assess that. We continue to explore with companies, ways and means by which they may find renewed interest in spending exploration money in that particular area. Right now, we have not found it. That might partially explain the lack of any particular money allocated for communities to get involved in the oil and gas business again. Thank you.
Committee Motion 27-13(4): Recommendation To Return Funding For The NWT Arctic Tourism Association To Historical Levels
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I did not think this government was responsible for evaluating where the interest was, I thought it was up to the communities and the companies. When you make the response that there is no interest in the Mackenzie Delta, apparently there is a company under discussion with the Gwich'in Development Corp and the communities in the Delta called High Level Energy, which presently have oil and gas leases along the Sahtu - Gwich'in boundary lines. They have two leases. Under the arrangement, they have to develop those leases within a certain time period. I think that is the reason for this particular discussion. It seemed like those who come to the trough and this government determining who will get the funding and a large portion of that money is being held back at headquarters to evaluate what they feel is their priority list versus the ideas in the communities. On one hand, we are telling the communities we have a deficit problem, we cannot generate jobs, we cannot generate employment, it is up to you to go do it. Yet this is one area the communities and regions could start marketing themselves to the oil industry, the mining industry and other industries in Canada. These funds have been used on consultants and everything else, but I think it is time we let the communities start marketing themselves. That is what this money should be spent for. With that, I would like to table a motion regarding the whole idea of distributing these funds in a more equitable manner than having 80 percent of it sitting at headquarters.
Committee Motion 27-13(4): Recommendation To Return Funding For The NWT Arctic Tourism Association To Historical Levels
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The Chair John Ningark
Mr. Krutko, are you making a motion here?
Committee Motion 28-13(4): Recommendation To Ensure A More Equitable Distribution Of Oil And Gas Consultant Funding
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Yes, Mr. Chairman. I move this committee recommends that the Minister of Resources, Wildlife, and Economic Development take the necessary steps to ensure a
more equitable distribution of funds for mineral, oil, and gas consultants across all the regions of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. The motion is circulated and translated. To the motion. Question is being called. All those in favour, signify. Down please. Opposed? Thank you. The motion is carried. Thank you. We are on resource management and economic development. On the list I have Mr. Roland, Mr. Henry and Mr. Ootes. Mr. Ootes.
Committee Motion 28-13(4): Recommendation To Ensure A More Equitable Distribution Of Oil And Gas Consultant Funding
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to make a motion to extend sitting hours, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair John Ningark
Mr. Ootes, I am advised that is an inappropriate way of getting the floor. As I indicated earlier, I have Mr. Roland, Mr. Henry and yourself. There was no point of order. Mr. Roland.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, in the area of parks and tourism, I had asked the Minister if there was any policy or agreement with the Yukon government in the area of tourism. I would like to know if he has uncovered anything. Thank you.
Committee Motion 28-13(4): Recommendation To Ensure A More Equitable Distribution Of Oil And Gas Consultant Funding
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Minister.
Committee Motion 28-13(4): Recommendation To Ensure A More Equitable Distribution Of Oil And Gas Consultant Funding
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Mr. Chairman, I am not aware of any agreement with the Yukon government or the Yukon First Nations in the area of tourism. I do know some interest has been expressed over the last year. At the official level, there is some discussion about looking at signing some sort of agreement to work in partnership with the Yukon. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Roland.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman I would like to move that we extend sitting hours to conclude the estimates of the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development.
Committee Motion 28-13(4): Recommendation To Ensure A More Equitable Distribution Of Oil And Gas Consultant Funding
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. There is a motion. The motion is in order.
Committee Motion 28-13(4): Recommendation To Ensure A More Equitable Distribution Of Oil And Gas Consultant Funding
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Some Hon. Members
Is it debatable?
Committee Motion 28-13(4): Recommendation To Ensure A More Equitable Distribution Of Oil And Gas Consultant Funding
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The Chair John Ningark
It is not debatable. All those in favour of the motion please signify. Down please. Opposed? Thank you. According to my understanding, if there is time, the chair would vote in favour of a motion if the motion is to allow the committee to resolve the item on the table. I also know that the status quo at this time is to sit until six. We have not had any instruction from anyone to go beyond six to my understanding. I will vote against the motion.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. The motion is defeated. Mr. Roland.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the area of tourism, will the Minister keep myself and the Inuvik region informed of what is happening in the area of tourism agreements with the Yukon, because we have a significant tie to them through the Dempster Highway? Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Minister.