Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to ask the Minister some more questions on traditional knowledge. Madam Chair, I do not disagree with the Minster, traditional knowledge might be a good thing, it might have scientific value, it might even have medical value, maybe even spiritual value. I am not arguing that. All I was asking the Minister was what expenditures his department had to obtain this traditional knowledge? I have been given vague answers. First there were two PYs, then it turned out one was vacant. Along with that was a consultant. Maybe the Minister does not want to tell me how much the consultant is getting paid. That is fine. Could he combine those total costs to give me and this committee an idea how much his department is spending on obtaining and documenting traditional knowledge? The other point I would like to make, Madam Chair, is the Minister says it is not a cost, it is a saving but he cannot identify it. We can identify a cost. Maybe we cannot identify the saving. Maybe it is there. I am not arguing that. The point is, I want to know what that cost is. Thank you.