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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Directorate. Before I recognize Mr. Barnabas again, I cut off Mr. Henry inadvertently. Perhaps I was not watching him. He may have indicated that he wanted to continue supplementary. I apologize. I will recognize you again, after Mr. Barnabas has spoken. Mr. Barnabas.

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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. What I would like to know is, how long will this be maintained? How long will FMB be funding for maintenance of these units, through the Housing Association?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

This Nanisivik situation, as my colleague knows, is a bit of a unique situation because of the large role that the mine plays there and some of the historical involvement of the government. It is certainly our intention, as long as the staff housing requirements, we would continue to pay. However, if they get transferred to the Housing Association for public housing, we would transfer whatever dollars over or if we sell them. If we can find a satisfactory arrangement with either the mine or the individuals to sell those units, then that is when we would stop contributing to the O and M.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Directorate. Mr. Henry, as I indicated, I may have not recognized you because I was not watching you, so do you wish to continue?

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just one question. I did not quite catch what the Minister had said in response to my question about if a contractor, a building contractor purchases a unit in a community, will he be able to use that unit to house his personnel during construction? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Well, I am not the Minster responsible for contractual arrangements with Public Works or the Housing Corporation. It is my understanding that under our tender arrangements that commercial accommodation policy is the criteria. We have policies in place to protect commercial accommodation, bed and breakfast, et cetera, and people who own houses. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Directorate. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I have questions in regard to division of Secretariat. I was under the understanding that yesterday, I could ask these questions that applied to the division of Secretariat under 2-30, page 2-30, Directorate. My question to the Minister responsible for Division, is in regards to the department's tracking of the divisional costs. I would like from the Minister, how long has this tracking of divisional costs been in place? How far back are we going?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think it is important to point out that the Nunavut Secretariat is in the Executive, but the Premier has delegated the operational responsibility for that, to myself. That is the reason why he, yesterday indicated that I would answer the questions.

I think transitional costs, I believe that is what my colleague is talking about, we have been tracking that for both last year and this year. We are into our second year of tracking of what we believe are transitional costs related to the division of the two territories. We have been doing that on an ongoing basis for the last year and a half.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to know if this tracking includes all the costs of all the departments, or is it just directly related, or could indirect costs be considered? What does this include?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Minister.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Well I know, it would be fair to say it has been extremely difficult to define what is a division issue and what is not a division issue. That may be why we were not tracking it as early as we should. I do not know. I received this portfolio 15 months ago and when I took responsibility over for division, that was the first thing I put in place. How are we going to track what the costs are? The costs are to the best of our ability, are quite frankly judgmental. I think it could be fair to say that. I mean they are. It could be wages, travel, material purchases, contracts, fees, furniture, et cetera and I have insisted in letters to all Ministers that their deputies track, to the best of their ability, what they believe are divisional costs, both east and west.

We are in the process of doing that right now and I have some preliminary numbers, year to date that I could share with my colleagues indicating what we think the overall costs to date have been with respect to division. I have got to qualify that by saying the criteria, et cetera, for deciding what are division costs, has been somewhat judgmental, but at least it is there. It provides us a basis on which to initiate discussions and negotiations with respect to transitional costs with the federal government. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Directorate. Operations and maintenance. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I am sure that the Financial Management Board have a criteria set out to guide their deputy ministers and the departments as to what could be called transitional costs as well as incremental costs. I wonder if the Minister could indicate to this House what those costs might be to date for the west and what they might be to date for the east?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Todd, do you have the figures?

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Well you know, frankly it is almost impossible to break it down east and west because you are working in sync for the fact that there are, and since I have taken over the ministry there are two basic developments of two governments. I do not know how many times I have to say that. That is the way I perceive it. I do not see it as one government, Nunavut, because it happens to be a little further ahead in its organizational framework. I say there are two governments. No, I do not have it broken down by east and west. What I have is a reasonable judgmental fiscal analysis of the cost to date by department as of the period ending October 3rd, 1997.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

February the 3rd, 1997, which I am prepared to share with my colleagues.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Directorate. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chair, I do not know if the Minister read off the amount. I noticed his microphone was cut off. Does the Minister have that amount?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.