Well, I have only been here in this particular position for the last 15 months, and I am not trying to pass that along, but Mr. Voytilla advised me not that he recollects and certainly not that I recollect. The answer would be no.
Debates of Feb. 5th, 1997
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John Todd Keewatin Central
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Directorate. Where are we? Total operations and maintenance $21,146,000. Mr. Erasmus.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to thank the Members for indulging with any questions in this area. I would like to indicate that I have received a lot of calls indicating that this is a good line of questioning that people would like to hear about. So it is not as though I am just asking these questions because I feel like sitting here asking questions for no reason. One thing that people have been concerned about and I know that one person told me that they were going to appeal when we still had a Personnel, staffing people or whatever they were called. I can not remember it now - personnel officers or, a person was going to appeal, but she was told not to because she would be blackballed or would have a bad reputation in the government and you would have a harder time getting a job in the future. Is there any repercussions if a person appeals to the FMBS?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
The unequivocal answer is no.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Total operations and maintenance. $21,146,000. Agreed. Thank you. Total expenditures for Directorate. Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regards to the whole question about employment with the government, and there is no waiting period as the Minister stated, and also for those individuals out there that basically are laid off or are going to be laid off, I think that the same practice should be allowed to other individuals who may be previously employed by this government through affirmative action and also having the opportunity to receive work. Within this government through an employment pool or what not, they have the same opportunities to apply on those jobs, rather than have them appointed by Ministers. What the practice is in place is to ensure that those individuals who have been previous employees of government and may have been laid off and let go and allow their names to stand. Is there a process that those individuals can be ensured that their names will be
taken seriously when they are put on a short list so that when jobs do come available, that they are considered?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Minister.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Previous employees that have been laid off, I believe is the term, get priority hiring for a period of 90 days.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Total expenditures $21,146,000. Agreed. Thank you. Page 2-31. Human Resource Management. Operation and maintenance, $5,023,000. Mr. Roland.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like the Minister to explain to me if someone is given notice that their job is ending, are they allowed to apply on another job that is closing?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Roland. We did not get part of your question. Mr. Roland.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Mr. Chairman. Yes, if a competition is already out and it is closed, and someone has heard about a job and heard that they are being laid off, are they given the opportunity to apply on that job?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
No, Mr. Chairman. If a competition is closed, it is closed. I do not think there would be an opportunity there. I do want to qualify it by saying not only is it policy but it is a desire on the part of both Mr. Voytilla and myself that we go to inordinate efforts to try to reassign staff that have been on lay off. There is no question we have to do that, and where any vacant positions are available and the staff who have been laid off are qualified, they take priority hiring. Sometimes that happens sooner, sometimes that happens later but if a competition were closed, I would suggest, Mr. Chairman it would be very difficult to intervene in a process that has already been closed. So, the answer would be no.
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The Chair John Ningark
Human Resource Management. Total operations and maintenance. $5,023,000. Mr. Roland.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So if somebody felt this has happened to them, what would be the steps that they would take?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
I think the only course of action would be a staffing appeal process. If a competition is closed, they have been laid off, and they have not had an opportunity to apply on it, then that is the only way we could handle it. You can not open up a competition once it is closed. But again, I emphasize to you, it is certainly the desire of this government and all Ministers that those of us who have constituents who have been laid off, we make a concerted effort to make sure they get ample opportunity to apply on any new positions or any old positions that are out for competition. That is certainly our desire. I would suspect somebody fell through the crack, you know, because it is not a perfect system The desire is to do exactly what Mr. Roland has indicated.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Total operations and maintenance. Mr. Roland.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Now what if the tables were turned and you were someone that were applying on that position, and it had closed and you had heard somebody who had received a notice of layoff, they never got a chance to apply on it.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
I am a little confused by that question. I wonder if my honourable colleague, Mr. Floyd Roland from Inuvik, could ask the question again? How he is being instructed by his compadre, Mr. Miltenberger so I can answer it in a proper way?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, I believe Mr. Roland is asking on his own. Will you repeat the question, Mr. Roland, please?
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I agree with you, this is my own question, I am not a puppet. I would like to rephrase to make it a little more clear for my little friend. Mr. Chairman, the question would be, if you had applied on a job and did so in the time allotted and the competition closed, and then you heard that someone who received their notice of lay off then applied on a job after it closed, what would be that person's role then, or where would they go?