I think my honourable colleague is talking about the contracts as it relates to division. We do not have any contracts at this time, as it relates to division with some of our former employees. Would that be correct. Is that what my colleague is asking? Thank you.
Debates of Feb. 5th, 1997
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John Todd Keewatin Central
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The question was in relation to the time period of these contracts that we have with employees. Has the consideration in regards to division been taken into account where there is certain downsizing that may have to take place? What we do not want to do is get stuck with long term contracts when we know that, after
division, there are certain things going to happen through transfers to the east for establishing government infrastructure. So, through that, are these contracts up to 1999, or do you exceed 1999? There may be the question of transfer, downsizing government in the west in order to establish the government in the east, so these transfers have to take place.
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The Chair John Ningark
Qujannamiik. Mr. Minister.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
If my honourable colleague is alluding to his previous line of questioning where we may have some contractual arrangements with senior managers who have had severance package and are back with us, there are no long term contractual arrangements with respect to that. If he is referring to the civil service, then there are no contractual arrangements, except the indeterminate positions they have, either through management or through the collective agreement with the UNW. I hope I answered the question.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regards to the termination of these so-called contract arrangements, the question was, if we already paid them out. Say 1999, you transfer a section of transportation to the east, but we do not want to have an obligation through a contract arrangement with a new government of the Nunavut, which they should also have the ability to establish their own contract or arrangements with their employees. Prior to 1999, we do not want to tie the hands of the people in the east in regards to contracts.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
I think I understand now a little more clearly than before. If there is a requirement to break any contractual arrangements prior to 1999, the cost associated would then be transitional costs. I think that is what my colleague is talking about.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Total operations and maintenance. We are on page 2-31, Human Resource Management is $5,023,000. Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Clarification from the Minister. So those individuals who have received a compensation package and have been hired back on, that once they basically leave we are not going to turn around and compensate them again? They have already been compensated for the time period to the contract arrangements they have now, is just basically on a service day by day basis or are they also implications where we are going to have to re-compensate these individuals?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Krutko. We did not quite get your conclusion. Repeat please.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question was, individuals who have received a compensation package and have been hired back on through another process in this government, will we have to re-compensate them if they are let go again?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Yes, Mr. Voytilla advised me that they would only get compensation for the new period of employment and not the whole previous period of employment. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Krutko.
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The Chair John Ningark
Mr. Todd, would you please repeat? I believe what Mr. Todd said was that they will pay only the duration of the contract. Mr. Todd, please.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
I apologize. I am having difficulty with the line of questioning which is unfortunate. Let me put it this way, so my colleague can tell me whether I am wrong or not. If we have an employee with twenty years experience, and he gets a severance package, he will get that severance package based on that twenty years of experience. If we re-hire him until 1999, he will only get what is due him for that twenty-four month period. Is that where you are coming from on this one?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
That is in line with the questions I asked. The question was, we have had to re-compensate over and above the twenty years he has already put in?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
That is an important question, and the answer is no.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Todd. Mr. Picco.
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The Chair John Ningark
Total operations and maintenance is $5,023,000. Agreed? Mr. Erasmus.