This is page numbers 279 - 297 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was financial.

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Question 85-13(5): Improvements To Student Financial Assistance
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department has advised me that the Member's constituent has now received all of the cheques that she should have received. I am meeting with the Member's constituent at 3:00 this afternoon to discuss her situation and see if we can come to some resolution. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in regard to my supplementary is the question about being told to go to the food bank by the Department of Education. I would like to know why should a student have to access the food bank program when they are sponsored by the Department of Education?

Supplementary To Question 85-13(5): Improvements To Student Financial Assistance
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

I would like to ask the Member if he can rephrase his question because the Minister would not know unless he knows the circumstances. Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 85-13(5): Improvements To Student Financial Assistance
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question to the Minister is for students who are presently being sponsored by this government, do you think it is appropriate that they basically have to access the food bank to be able to carry out their education, especially here in Yellowknife.

Supplementary To Question 85-13(5): Improvements To Student Financial Assistance
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a small point, but I think I should make it. The Department of Education, Culture and Employment does not sponsor students. Students can apply for student financial assistance which is part of our Income Support Programs. The Student Financial Assistance Program is intended to be just part of a total package where the student, the family, the community are all expected to contribute towards the cost of a student being able to support themself. In regard to the Member's question about the food bank, the policy is not to refer students to the food bank, but in a situation where somebody goes to a worker and says I have an emergency, I do not have any food right now and I cannot get any assistance and I need it today, suggestions may be made such as the Salvation Army, the food bank, the women's centre in order to make sure that kids are not going to go hungry that night. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My final supplementary is in regard to students who are taking post secondary education programs in Yellowknife through Arctic College, that is, once an individual from the Department of Education tells a student to go to the food bank in regard to in this case, is that acceptable to this government? I mean we have other clients out there who are homeless and who are living off the streets in which the food banks are there to contribute to those people. Students who are presently being funded through student financial assistance, but not through the Department of Education, are told by an employee of this government especially in the Department of Education to go to the food bank. Is that acceptable to this government?

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I have stated, I do not think that it is a situation where the government refers people to food banks. If an individual comes to a government employee and says I have an emergency. I have no food for my kids, how do I deal with it? Here are some of the options that may be presented to that person. The employee will then call upon their knowledge of the local resources and advise some options to consider in order to make sure the kids do not go hungry while we try to solve the problem. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger.

Question 86-13(5): Lease Costs Of The Public/private Partnerships Initiative
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Finance in relation to his budget address yesterday, specifically on page 9 on the Public/Private Partnerships and the figures he makes reference to, specifically once again up to $200 million, that may be in fact leverage because of the new public/private partnership initiative. A figure that has been mentioned would be $24 million annually to be able to pay the lease cost or interest cost related to that type of new initiative. The concern, Mr. Speaker, is where will that money come from? Can we get assurances that in fact it will not come out of the O and M budget and programs and can the Minister indicate how he intends to deal with that? Thank you.

Question 86-13(5): Lease Costs Of The Public/private Partnerships Initiative
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance. Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is only one issue of a larger issue when it comes to P3s. Mr. Ootes referred to it earlier today and Mr. Picco referred to it yesterday. On this question, it would be our intention that if you have an uptake of x amount of dollars in terms of the public/private partnership and the requirement is $10 million to fund the cost of those Public/Private Partnerships that would come out of the capital dollars that we have assigned to the government for $140 million. There will be no impact on the programs and services that we currently provide. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just so that I can make sure that I have this clear in my mind. You make reference to the fact, for instance, that we have a $140 million capital budget. You are saying that you will take, for example, $24 million out of that $140 million and use it to in effect leverage the $200 million. Is that what you are telling us? Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

That is correct. It is more broad than that. We are hoping that in the exercises that are under way right now with respect to the identification of projects that we think that can be done by P3s, you know one of the criteria is urgent need but the other one is, is there going to be some cost savings to government? Is there going to be an economic spin-off? We have to quantify those as well. From a fiscal perspective, a money perspective, we will take the monies that are required out of the capital budget to leverage, you say, the $200 million. I am also saying that in our evaluation we are going to look at things like is this an economic initiative, is it going to create jobs, are there some cost savings, et cetera on these projects and build that all into the equation. I think this gives me an opportunity to reassure my colleagues because I know that there are some legitimate concerns about where we are going with this project. I think it is all legitimate.

I will provide to the House as much clarity as I can on the policies and regulations that are going to guide this policy, as soon as we get most of them finalized. As I said yesterday, we intend to learn from the experiences in other jurisdictions, whether it is in BC or whether it is in New Brunswick. There is an inordinate amount of knowledge out there and there have been some pitfalls in other provincial jurisdictions. Mr. Coles, while he is one expert, Mr. Ootes is right, there are a whole bunch of others. I have chosen to use Mr. Coles and I believe he has the overall level of experience to be able to incorporate into our policies and procedures the necessary safeguard that all of us, myself included, need whether it is on the fiscal side, the political side or on the transparency side. If you just give me a little time, I am fairly confident I can reassure you and provide you with all the information you require that will satisfy you that these P3s meet the political and infrastructure and fiscal needs of this government. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger.

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Question 86-13(5): Lease Costs Of The Public/private Partnerships Initiative
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for that assurance. Would the Minister also include in the policy and procedures he is talking about, would it be considered to include, an amortization formula or schedule that would allow us to, in fact, ensure that this is a sustainable initiative and that we do not, in fact, spend $200 million right up front and then find out we cannot afford to finance any new projects for, say, five or ten years. Thank you.

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Question 86-13(5): Lease Costs Of The Public/private Partnerships Initiative
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

I mean that is a concern that I have actually raised from the very beginning when the proposal, you know, you still have to have some checks and balances. That certainly would be our intent that once the projects are identified, once the scope of how we are going to do it is undertaken. I think there could be a variety of ways in which we can do the P3s. I do not think there is just one sort of way of doing it. We need to, no question. We need to amortize, if you want, the costs of the project, the net cost to the government, and show to myself as the Finance Minister and to my colleagues in Cabinet that this policy has a declining balance, if you want as we move forward -- as I said -- when we get to the fine detail of how we are going to ensure it is affordable and transparent. I mean, I said these words yesterday, deliberately, because I wanted to reassure everybody that it is going to happen. I will be prepared to share them with the Members, the committees and the House. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger.