Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I was questioning the honourable Premier as to whether or not Cabinet gets involved in Ministers' decisions or if Ministers' decisions are in fact decisions made in consultation with Cabinet. I got the indication from the response, Mr. Speaker, that yes, that is the case. However, Mr. Speaker, I am not quite sure that the Hansards from yesterday support the statement. I noticed, Mr. Speaker, that on page 3, January 26th, Hansards, Mr. O'Brien was asking Mr. Ng about the health situation in the Keewatin. Mr. Ng responded that he is not sure what it is, but he sent a management committee down there to look into the problem and at this point in time he was not able to respond as to what the health situation was in the Keewatin. A few minutes later Mr. Speaker, I raised the issue with the Premier, and on page 13 the Premier's response is, I believe, "the health care in the Keewatin is quite adequate and does its purpose." Now, Mr. Speaker, I directed the question to the Premier, I wonder if the Premier could inform Mr. Ng that everything is all right in the Keewatin, and then Mr. Ng could inform Mr. O'Brien, and we could save some question period time. Thank you.
Debates of Jan. 27th, 1998
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Question 113-13(5): Status Of Keewatin Health Care Services
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The Speaker
Thank you. The head of the Executive Council, the Premier, Mr. Morin.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was just reviewing Hansard right now while the honourable Member was asking the question, that is what I did state in the House yesterday, and what I meant to say is that I believe the Minister has the health issue in the Keewatin under control. He has sent in a team to the Keewatin to work with the people over there to make sure that we do have adequate health care in the Keewatin. The Minister has made a commitment
already that within the next two days he will be making a Minister's statement, probably tomorrow, in this House addressing the problems of the Keewatin health care. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Ootes.
Question 114-13(5): Aurora Fund Subscription Levels
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Finance. Earlier, I believe this month, the Minister made a speech in Yellowknife at which he commented about the Aurora Fund and stated that it was fully-subscribed and that we now had $70 million in the bank. The statement he made today, what I tally up that we seem to have in the bank is approximately $24 million. I wonder if the Minister could tell us, that to me that is only 40 percent of the money that really needs to be raised. With regard to the Aurora Fund 1996, I wonder if the Minister could tell us what the cut off date for that is because we have been at that particular one for over a year now. Thank you.
Question 114-13(5): Aurora Fund Subscription Levels
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The Speaker
Thank you. The Minister of Finance, Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Yes, Mr. Speaker. I will try to explain to my colleague once again as I frequently tried to explain to him how the Aurora Fund works. Mr. Speaker, we have it fully-subscribed, and what that means is, and I have said this before in the House, we have 130 to 150 people who have met the criteria for the Immigrant Investment Funds. As the money flows in we access it, put it into escrow, look for opportunities and invest it.
So, it may not necessarily mean that the money is in hand, but the money is in the bank because they have approved the 130 or the 150 or whatever it is. They have approved these subscribers. Each of them have given us a certain level of dollars, and assuming they meet all the immigrant investment criteria, they then enter into the system, ante up the $250. It comes through the system to the Aurora Fund to Mr. Bailey, who puts it in to escrow at the Bank of Montreal, who then looks at investment opportunities, and approves them. It comes out, goes in and away we go. Then we go on to the next subscriber, et cetera. If in my enthusiasm in a speech I made to an audience, I said there was $70 million in the bank, I meant that there was $70 million worth of equity, investment that we were going to get in the bank. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Thank you. First supplementary, Mr. Ootes.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am still confused, I just do not put this together. In order to subscribe, you pay $10,000 down. That to me means, you can say the situation is fully-subscribed, but until the $250,000 is in our hands, to me, it is not fully-subscribed. What you have stated today is that you have 56 investors who have provided the full subscription price, and in the other fund you have 42 subscribers with $250,000. Now that is only 40 percent of the total amount, Mr. Speaker, so could the Minister tell us when are we going to see the other 60 percent? You did not answer my question. When does the Aurora Fund 1996 end? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 114-13(5): Aurora Fund Subscription Levels
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The Speaker
Thank you. Mr. Todd, the honourable Member is confused. Would you help him to understand?
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John Todd Keewatin Central
I will try once again, Mr. Ootes. I understand my honourable colleague had a full briefing of this several months ago, so maybe he must have forgotten about the briefing. So, I will try once again to explain to him how it works. Mr. Lockyer, from the Cornwallis Group goes out and he markets our fund. He says to client A, do you wish to buy into our fund? Client A says, Yes. He then commits by putting in a deposit of $10,000, $20,000, $50,000, whatever he wants. He is committing to the whole $250,000, assuming he meets all the immigration requirements. Once he meets the immigration requirements, the rest of the cash comes in and it flows into the escrow account. The first fund is fully-subscribed. That means we have enough people who have committed dollars to give us the $30 or $35 million in the first fund. As it flows though, because each immigrant has to go through the immigration process, they are not going to put up $250,000 until they know they are going to get their passport, that just makes common sense. They are committed to the overall investment of $250,000. It is fully-subscribed, which means we do not require any more people in that. That is what fully-subscribed means, and as they meet their immigrant requirements the money flows in.
The first Aurora Fund is complete. It is just the timing factor in terms of when the immigration applications are approved. All the cash flows in there, I think it takes six months, twelve months. It is really not relevant. It just depends on the pace in which Immigration Canada works. The second fund is the same thing, I am advised by our Aurora Fund marketing agency, Mr. Lockyer, that it is fully-subscribed and the same principles are there that I have just described. If I am not explaining it well enough, I do not know how else to describe it. I think everybody else understands it.
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The Speaker
Thank you. A long-winded response. A bit confusing. Could we try to be direct and concise when replying to the questions? Mr. Ootes, second supplementary.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When the words fully-subscribed are used, does that mean that the individual has deposited $250,000 somewhere in escrow or in deposit that
will be flowed to the territorial government or has he only deposited $10,000? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 114-13(5): Aurora Fund Subscription Levels
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The Speaker
Thank you. The honourable Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
I am trying to be patient on this question, Mr. Speaker, but I will try to be direct, some immigrants put in $10,000; some put in $50,000; some put in $250,000. It is fully-subscribed. Everybody that we need has made their application and has put some form of deposit down so that once their immigration approval has been received, they then ante up the balance if there is any to be done. That is all it is, nothing more. I thought this was a good news story. Everybody else seems to think it is.
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The Speaker
Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you. I do not need the implication that I do not think it is a good program. I think it is an excellent program, Mr. Speaker. The point is that some people have put $10,000 down. Now, in that case, there could be individuals with the far eastern melt down, and that is where we are getting most of our subscribers from, a lot of these could fall through. Is not that true?
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The Speaker
Thank you. The honourable Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
The fact of the matter is that I am not concerned about is, if they meet the immigrant requirements, et cetera, that are necessary to become Canadian immigrants. I am not quite sure I understand the line of questioning, and I am not trying to be offensive to my colleague, but the reality is that in my eyes as the Minister of Finance, as a chairman on the Aurora Fund, we are fully-subscribed. We are confident that money will flow. It will work hard for businesses as it currently is. I applaud the efforts of all those active in it. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Thank you. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta, Mr. Krutko.
Question 115-13(5): Yellowknife Office Space Leases
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January 26th, 1998
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is in line with my Member's statement in regard to the question of office space, especially here in Yellowknife on the surplus space that presently exists in Yellowknife. I believe somewhere in the area of 120,000 square feet, and in light of my question in regard to the present new owners of a building in Yellowknife who just required a long-term lease from this government and also the Aboriginal Organization Board presently looking at the possibly of investing in real estate in Yellowknife in a similar arrangement. Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister of Public Works, Mr. Antoine, is in regard to the new owners of the buildings in Yellowknife. Is this idea open to all investors that there would be a long-term lease similar to that of the new owners, in regard to the Lahm Ridge Tower Building?
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The Speaker
Thank you. The honourable Minister for Public Works and Services, Mr. Antoine.
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in regard to the Lahm Ridge Tower lease, it is like I said yesterday in question period, that it was never a government building. It was a privately owned by the Lahm Ridge Investment Ltd. They sold it to a numbered company. Prior to this sale between the two private companies, the Department of Public Works and Services exercised the extension to renegotiate a lease arrangement which had expired two years ago. The Department of Public Works renegotiated a more favourable lease. This lease arrangement was negotiated before the sale between the two private companies, which is in line with the provisions of the lease arrangements between Public Works and Services.
In regard to the other part of the question, if this government is going to be looking at the sale of government assets, yes, this government is going to be looking at the different offices we have and the possible sale of these assets.
I know there is interest by aboriginal development corporations in these assets, and they will be welcome to get involved in these assets once they become available for sale. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to my supplementary question, it falls in line with the potential of selling off of the government asset, the Laing Building, which I stated in my opening remarks. There have been several attempts by aboriginal organizations to look at the possibility of acquiring that asset, but with the understanding there will be some sort of a lease arrangement in place so they can go to their financiers, Aurora Fund, wherever the fund is coming from, to be able to acquire this building with the understanding if they invest in such a building, there will be some long-term returns on it. So, will the Laing Building have a similar arrangement with regard to its sale with whomever acquires it?