Negative, Mr. Chairman.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
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The Chair John Ningark
Mr. Steen.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Todd.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Voytilla and his able staff provide an administrative support to the FMB, but the FMB is made up of Cabinet only. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance, $20,651,000. Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My second question is in regard to the Financial Management Board Secretariat being responsible for monitoring of all of the departments as far as fraud or embezzlement is concerned. I wonder if the Minister could indicate how many cases of fraud or embezzlement we have had in the past two years?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Todd.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Voytilla, nor myself have an accurate, detailed answer to that. But our best guesstimate, and we will give my honourable colleague
an accurate one, but our best guesstimate is somewhere between 15 and 20 cases over the last two years. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, would the Minister be prepared to indicate which departments those involve?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Todd.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Voytilla advised me that it is not a problem and in fact we do report that out on an annual basis through the Auditor General's report, through the Comptroller General's report but that is not a problem. We will provide my honourable colleague with the detail of how many over the last two years and the departments that were involved. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. I understand that Members would want a copy of that. Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, have we been successful in recouping these losses or being reimbursed through the courts for these losses?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Of course, any time you have a fraud, et cetera, it is a serious offence and this government takes a very aggressive position on it. We have sought in a number of cases, reimbursement. I do not actually have the details of how much reimbursement we have been able to successfully acquire. I will provide my honourable colleague with that same information. My guess would be, and it is just a guesstimate, it is probably minimal, but to avoid any confusion and to give full clarity to the question, I will provide my honourable colleague and this House with those answers. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Financial Management Board Secretariat directorate, total operations and maintenance. Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, if we do not manage to collect through the courts or by reimbursement, how do we write off these losses? Are they written off as bad debts? How does this happen?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
As Mr. Voytilla advised me, we do, of course, have to proceed. Let us say we are proceeding with all of the criminal investigations that are required of charges that must be laid. We go through that whole process, once the results of that occur. If we have not been successful in, if you want, reimbursement, then we would at some point write it off as a bad debt in the balance sheet. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Steen.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
I am advised that we advise the RCMP on all fraud cases and the decision as to whether to pursue the charges or not is the jurisdiction of the RCMP.