Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus.
Debates of Nov. 13th, 1998
This is page numbers 407 - 438 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was nunavut.
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Further Return To Question 222-13(6): Diavik Environmental Review
Question 222-13(6): Diavik Environmental Review
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Supplementary To Question 222-13(6): Diavik Environmental Review
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you. Mr. Speaker, the people now involved in the review are the industry, the government and the aboriginal groups. We all seem to have a stake in ensuring that this goes ahead because we are all going to receive monetary value from it. What I would like to know is, is there anybody still there that is solely concerned about the environment? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 222-13(6): Diavik Environmental Review
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The Speaker
Mr. Kakfwi.
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
It has always been my view that the aboriginal peoples are part of the environment. You cannot just look at the trees, the birds, the wildlife, the water and the land in absence of the people. With all respect to environmental groups, they do leave that omitted from their zealous protection of wildlife and the environment. I believe that the environmental interests are always in the forefront of every aboriginal person, and every aboriginal First Nation in the territories. If the First Nations have to, they will go it alone and ensure that even without the environmental groups, the study process and the environment will receive full screening and protection. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 222-13(6): Diavik Environmental Review
Question 222-13(6): Diavik Environmental Review
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Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Erasmus.
Supplementary To Question 222-13(6): Diavik Environmental Review
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Should the environmental groups wish to become involved with this process again, would they be welcomed as full and equal partners? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 222-13(6): Diavik Environmental Review
Question 222-13(6): Diavik Environmental Review
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The Speaker
Mr. Kakfwi.
Further Return To Question 222-13(6): Diavik Environmental Review
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November 12th, 1998
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I am also representing the government, trying to get into the door or the room of the decision makers. I would never turn away or reject overtures from the environmental groups to work with us as a government, to meet with us as a government and to be part of any process. That may be something that other groups may elect to do.
However, as far as I am concerned, I said two years ago to the environmental groups I am prepared to meet with them on a regular and a monthly basis if they wish, my door is always open to them. Although I have not seen them for a while or heard from them, I continue to have an open door policy as far as the environmental groups are concerned. I am a little bit disappointed in the recent action, but we have to use all the resources and expertise that we can possibly muster in our effort to protect the environment and still see economic projects proceed. Yes, I would welcome them if they want to take part and help them to take part. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 222-13(6): Diavik Environmental Review
Question 222-13(6): Diavik Environmental Review
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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco.
Question 223-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation System
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, following up on the collective agreement process, Mr. Todd stated that the bargaining team made up of northerners are being influenced by a PSAC representative and I think that is an unfair statement to make concerning our representatives. Mr. Speaker, could the Minister categorically state that the GNWT Hay Plan System is not a modified evaluation process which is the allegation made by the UNW? Thank you.
Question 223-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation System
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The Speaker
The Minister of Finance, Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Mr. Speaker, I believe if my honourable colleague checks Hansard here, he asked me that question before and I did, in fact, say that there is no modified Hay Plan Job Evaluation System at that time. I say it again today. Thank you.
Return To Question 223-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation System
Question 223-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation System
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The Speaker
Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco.
Supplementary To Question 223-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation System
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I remember that response and I remember that question. I would like to follow up on that, Mr. Todd and indeed the Hay Plan Evaluation System, that the Minister and this government is using is exactly the same Hay Plan System that is being used that he alluded to earlier, by PSAC and by other provincial and federal government departments. Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 223-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation System
Question 223-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation System
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The Speaker
Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Yes, I believe it is, Mr. Speaker.
Further Return To Question 223-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation System
Question 223-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation System
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The Speaker
Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco.
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister believes it is. I am wondering what type of system they have put in place then to guarantee that indeed it is. Has he had an evaluation done by his own FMBS, has it been evaluated by the Hay Plan itself... he wants to laugh but it is a very serious point. He made an emergency statement on it today and I am asking a serious question. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Supplementary To Question 223-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation System
Question 223-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation System
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The Speaker
Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
I do not have to be advised on the seriousness of this issue, Mr. Speaker, by an honourable colleague. I know the seriousness of this issue. I am advising my colleague, as I did in the House before, that the Hay Plan Job Evaluation System is gender-neutral, it has been confirmed by a number of agencies across the country, a number of governments across the country, the tribunal itself. I answered all of those questions in the past and I am now just saying to my honourable colleague check Hansard. My position today is not any different from then. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 223-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation System
Question 223-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation System
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The Speaker
Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Picco.
Supplementary To Question 223-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation System
Question 223-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation System
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Todd is correct in his assumptions and he stated categorically in the House and I will believe that. Then I will follow up with my supplementary question on the same Hay Plan Evaluation System, ask Mr. Todd that indeed, these outside agencies have looked at the Hay Plan Evaluation System as implemented by this government. Could he give us something to table in the House to show us where he can prove that, indeed, it is because the PSAC people he has alluded to in the UNW say it is not? They must have some reason for stating that. They are not just pulling it out of the air. My question is, can you table something, Mr. Todd?
Supplementary To Question 223-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation System
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Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Mr. Speaker, I will take it nice and slow, so my colleague from Iqaluit understands. The Hay Plan Job Evaluation System that we are using, is used by other governments. It is also used by PSAC. There is no requirement to table any other documentation as to whether
the Hay Plan Job Evaluation System is gender-neutral or not. A variety of other governments, including the Human Rights Tribunal and Commission use the Hay Plan Job Evaluation System to determine gender neutrality. I do not know how much more my colleague wants. Unless he is of course just playing to an audience.
Further Return To Question 223-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation System
Question 223-13(6): Hay Job Evaluation System
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Oral questions. Mr. Krutko.