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Return To Question 323-13(5): Evaluation Of Education Authorities
Question 323-13(5): Evaluation Of Education Authorities
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, every year, at least one of the divisional education councils in the Northwest Territories is reviewed. We use this information to evaluate their capability and how well they are doing at the job they are tasked with, through the Education Act. This is an ongoing function. As far as I am aware, the councils in the north are doing, in general, a very good job of administering education in the territories. Thank you.

Return To Question 323-13(5): Evaluation Of Education Authorities
Question 323-13(5): Evaluation Of Education Authorities
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Ootes.

Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Item 6: Oral Questions

February 12th, 1998

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Public Works and Services a question regarding the Lahm Ridge Tower. I was left with word that the Lahm Ridge Tower was a good deal for this government. My question is, was this the most financially advantageous deal for government, vis a vis, other space alternatives? Thank you.

Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Public Works and Services, Mr. Antoine.

Return To Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this government has a variety of office spaces leased in Yellowknife. There are a number of different places where we have offices. After the lease extension was negotiated for Lahm Ridge Tower, we come in about fourth lowest in the total per square footage. In that case, there are a number of other leases we currently hold that are substantially higher per square foot cost than the Lahm Ridge Tower. In that way, it is quite a good deal for the government. Thank you.

Return To Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.

Supplementary To Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. The Minister stated that it was the fourth lowest. Fourth out of what, ten, 20?

Supplementary To Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have quite a number of leases. I am not quite familiar with how many leases we have out there including our own space. The information I have is, if you compare the cost per square foot for the Lahm Ridge renegotiated deal, it comes in about third lowest. I could render a guess right now, but I would like to be more specific. I will have to ask my department to come back with the actual number of leases, or spaces we have out there. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.

Supplementary To Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since the Minister is familiar with the fact that it is either third or fourth lowest, could he tell us what it cost per square foot in that building? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the average cost of square footage, I could guess right now, but again, I have to be more specific on that and get back to the honourable Member with the exact cost per square foot. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes.

Supplementary To Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The department developed a variety of discussion papers and no doubt some alternatives were considered during this period of time, which was about a six-month period. Could he tell us, is there some paperwork available that provides us with an idea of what the alternatives were?

Supplementary To Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Lahm Ridge Tower issue is something that I have been dealing with for quite some time now. As you can see, my file is pretty thick and every time questions come up, I have to go through it and try to find the correct answer. If we go back on earlier questions first to clarify, the Lahm Ridge Tower lease, is one of the 12 major leases in Yellowknife. I have to correct myself here. I said it is about fourth lowest, but there are two other leases that are less expensive than Lahm Ridge Tower, so it is the third lowest.

--Applause

There are eight other leases which are more expensive than Lahm Ridge Tower. This lease is eight percent below the average lease rate in our Yellowknife inventory. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Question 324-13(5): Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko.

Question 325-13(5): Offer To Purchase The Laing Building
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since it is Friday 13th, I might as well keep on the roll. I have a question for the Minister of Public Works in regard to the Lahm Ridge Tower. Mr. Speaker, I had some discussions with the Dene Development Corporation in which they were shocked to find out the Lahm Ridge Tower was going to be sold to a private company. They were also looking at it with Urbco here in Yellowknife and were always being told there were not going to be any long-term leases.

In an attempt to find alternative space, they were looking at the Laing Building, in which they made an offer to this government to purchase the building and renovate, which put $3 million in the building, and rent back to this government with a 20-year lease, at $8 a square foot. Mr. Speaker, Could the Minister tell us why that offer was not taken, which was a lot cheaper than the Lahm Ridge Tower deal?

Question 325-13(5): Offer To Purchase The Laing Building
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Public Works and Services, Mr. Antoine.

Return To Question 325-13(5): Offer To Purchase The Laing Building
Question 325-13(5): Offer To Purchase The Laing Building
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the honourable Member is talking about the Lahm Ridge Tower. I have to explain again. The government has never owned the Lahm Ridge Tower. It was owned by the Lahm Ridge Investment Company. A private owner and they sold it to another company. A northern company. In regard to the Laing Building, I am aware that the Denedeh Development Corporation did meet with some officials of Public Works and Services for preliminary discussions to see what the possibilities are there to purchase the Laing Building. That was some time last year. In the mean time this government was looking at the office space requirement for this government after the downsizing and consolidation of the different departments took place starting last January, 1997. It was clear by last July which office space and how much office space was required in Yellowknife to run this government. These meetings with the Denedeh Development Corporation were around that same time. There was no definite commitment by anybody to sell at that time, it was part of a plan, one of the options, and that option did not get approved until this January. I just wanted to explain some background here that the Laing Building is up for sale and if the Denedeh Development Corporation is interested, the decision was made as of last month to go ahead and sell it. If they are still interested, now is the time to get involved in the whole process of trying to acquire it. Thank you.

Return To Question 325-13(5): Offer To Purchase The Laing Building
Question 325-13(5): Offer To Purchase The Laing Building
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 325-13(5): Offer To Purchase The Laing Building
Question 325-13(5): Offer To Purchase The Laing Building
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am talking about leases, about ownership of buildings. Presently my understanding of the lease in regard to the Lahm Ridge Tower is somewhere in the $20 range, yet the offer to renovate and upgrade the Laing Building was $8 a square foot. There is a difference between $8 and $20 which is almost double what the offer was. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister what the understanding that the Denedeh Development Corporation had with this department is, that they were not going to make any decisions on any long-term leases until the plan was concluded, where they were looking at developing proposals for a year. Why was the other organization not given the information that this building was going to be opened up for a long-term lease?

Supplementary To Question 325-13(5): Offer To Purchase The Laing Building
Question 325-13(5): Offer To Purchase The Laing Building
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 325-13(5): Offer To Purchase The Laing Building
Question 325-13(5): Offer To Purchase The Laing Building
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Lahm Ridge Tower was a renegotiated lease. There was an outstanding lease there with the previous owners. The exercise initiated the discussion to renew that lease. The landowners wanted to know whether we could renegotiate an extension of the Lahm Ridge Tower lease. This is where the Department of Public Works exercises the lease agreement. That is why this was done. As for the Denedeh Development Corporation they do not have any office space in Yellowknife. They have to acquire it first before they lease it to the government. Their offer to lease it back to the government at $8 a square foot, I am not aware about it. I am not aware that

they were told that there would no longer be long-term leases. I am not familiar with these discussions that happened in the past. Thank you.