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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you very much. Project management, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance $7.609 million. Agreed? Mr. Krutko?

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Is the Minister going to have his deputy minister here to assist him?

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Krutko, we have dealt with that matter. The officials will be here momentarily. We have discussed that matter and the Committee decided together with

the Minister, we will proceed while we are waiting for the officials to arrive. Project management, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance, $7.609 million. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask the Minister, in regard to project management, how the superintendents who seem to have a lot of authority when it comes to exactly how they manage properties, how they approve the expenditures of this government, get into leases and everything? What role does the superintendent play in the overall plans and development of these properties? In light of what happened with regard to Lahm Ridge Tower and that property, how much of a role did the superintendent play in that decision, because he seemed to have done a lot of the leg work?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the reference the honourable Member made to Lahm Ridge Tower and the role that the Regional Superintendent, Mr. Vince Dixon, played here in Yellowknife, is an exceptional case. In Yellowknife, we have a very large office space requirement, for this government to have their headquarters and different departments in. There is very large participation there. In the life of this government, Mr. Chairman, we have delegated more authority to the deputy ministers, in turn, they to their directors and to superintendents. In the agenda for a change document, this government initiated earlier on, the idea was to give more authority to managers so that they could manage. As well, all approvals do not have to come to the Minister or the deputy minister, the managers can do their work. There are a lot of safeguards within the regulations to guide the superintendents to do it. It has changed quite substantially from the previous government where a lot of the authority had gone to them to provide this information. In the case of superintendents, they have more authority, not only in this department but in other departments, to do the work they have been hired to do, and to move things along fairly quickly, to make this government streamlined, effective and efficient in their decisions. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. For the record, Mr. Minister, would you please introduce the witnesses?

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To my left we have Mr. Ken Lovely, deputy minister of Public Works and Services and to my right, Ms. Gay Kennedy, the director of corporate services for Public Works and Services. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. When we concluded last Friday, Mr. Steen, who was in the chair, reminded all the Members that questions on Lahm Ridge Tower should be raised on page 5-8 under asset management. I would like to remind all Members when you refer to leasing the building, wait until we go to page 5-8. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Chairman, I would like to seek consent to go back to the directorate.

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The Chair John Ningark

We are in the directorate, Mr. Krutko. We have concluded the directorate. We are on page 5-7, project management. We will be referring to leases, page 5-8. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Chairman, I would like to move a motion that we go back to the directorate, so we can seek unanimous consent.

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The Chair John Ningark

I am advised the Member is seeking unanimous consent to go back to page 5-6. Are there any nays? No nays. Mr. Krutko you have unanimous consent.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to know, under the directorate, exactly what the superintendent's role is, along with the deputy minister, and who puts the project in front of the Minister or deputy minister? Whose role is it to develop the scenario as to what is good for the government and what is not great? Is it the superintendent who has full authority to develop this scenario and put it forth or is it the deputy minister who does the footwork? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the superintendent and the deputy minister work together in putting plans or different initiatives together for the Minister and for the government. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Directorate. Agreed? Mr. Krutko?

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Chairman, as we all know, the deputy minister is usually a very busy man, but as the one asking the question is, the role of the superintendent, going out, taking and looking for proposals or submissions to find out exactly where there can be savings to this government, who makes the deal of which assets are going to be sold or what leases are going to be required? Is it the superintendent who does the majority of this leg work?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. A deputy minister could be either a man or a woman. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the superintendent does a lot of the leg work, and once that is done, then the deputy minister's approval for whatever plan of action is taken. In reference to the selling of assets, that is up to the Financial Management Board to decide which is to be sold, once the legwork is done by the Department of Public Works and Services and is approved in that manner. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. There is a very strong tendency to move to page 5-8, since we started reviewing Public Works and Services. Shall we approve the directorate, project management? We can talk about asset management on page 5-8. I would like to remind Members. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Under a directorate,

we are talking about the responsibility of the deputy minister, of corporate services, also the superintendent and how they deal with their financial management. We are leaving a lot of responsibilities up to one individual, especially when you are talking about multi-million dollar leases and selling off of major government assets. I would like to know exactly how much power and responsibility this individual has in the selling off of government assets? Exactly who does all the leg work in developing the proposals, coming up with the price of the asset and how is it being sold? Is it going to go to public tender? Is it going to look at taking proposals from the different interested parties, or does he go out there unilaterally and say, well, if I think this is a good deal, put your name on it?

Under the directorate, which is where my question is leading up to, the superintendent doing the majority of this leg work, do they take into account there are policies in this government in regard to the business incentive policy? A lot of aboriginal groups have been looking at government property and assets. A lot of them feel they have put a lot of time and effort into developing their proposals and submissions to this government. I would like to know exactly what are the government and the superintendent's role? Does he follow the policies ensuring the affirmative action policies are followed and the selling of assets, there is a fair way of distributing it and the aboriginal people are allowed to partake in a lot of these bids and purchasing of these assets? Does this superintendent follow the basic business incentive policy when it comes to selling off government assets and looking at leases?