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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Minister for Public Works and Services, Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It could be either of them. It all depends on a lot of variables. It depends on the client. Again, we need to get some more information from the department on exactly how to answer the honourable Member's question. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Project management. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I wonder if the department has figures, how many requests for proposals they went with this year, how many sole-sourced contracts and standing offer agreements. What I would like, Mr. Chairman, is a comparison of how many went through these processes versus public tenders.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, we have figures for the RFP and sole-sourced and so forth. Normally for construction, about ten percent of it went for design work which we went out for RFP and the rest, 90 percent, went out for public tender. We have those figures, and we could provide that. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the guideline policy for negotiated contracts suggests it has to be a 100 percent northern company and it has to come in under a contract, under budget. Are those the same types of guidelines that are used for RFP, sole-sourced, standing offer agreements?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Yes, they are. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Project Management. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, if all these processes of awarding contracts seem to be efficient in addressing that only northerners would get the contracts...

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Your microphone was off. For the record, please repeat the last part. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, the guidelines for negotiated contracts, RFP, sole-sourced, standing offers, seem to guarantee northerners are going to get the contract. Therefore, it would suggest that it is not necessary to have BIP in here. I mean, they are guaranteed the contracts anyway, so why would you have BIP? It also suggests in here that since they are going to be northern contractors, why would they have a manufacturing one as well, because all the benefits are going to go to northerners? What is the purpose of BIP?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask the deputy minister to reply to that. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The deputy minister, Mr. Lovely.

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Lovely

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is true that negotiated contracts are with northern companies and the benefits of negotiated contracts do go entirely to northern companies. Whether they get the contract through negotiated contracts or the competitive process, they still have to conform

to the northern manufacturing directive which requires them to use materials made in the north. BIP is primarily used when contracts are awarded through the competitive process, either through a request for proposal or the tendering process. What it does is provides, and I probably do not have to explain exactly how the percentages work, a percentage of preference for northern companies based on the ownership of the firm. It is not really a factor. Bip is not really a factor in negotiated contracts. It is primarily for the competitive contracts. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Your time is up, Mr. Steen. Project management. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Chairman, I call on a point of order. I would like to know why I was cut from questioning the directorate. As a representative for Mackenzie Delta, and parliamentary democracy in regard to committee of the whole, I have the right to ask questions to the appropriate Minister in light of the concerns that arise around this department. I would like to ask for a ruling on it.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I will read the rule here. I did not mean to annoy you, Mr. Krutko. On page 26 of the Rules of the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories in 79(1) time limits on speaking. No Member shall speak for more than ten minutes at any one time in committee of the whole. Speaking for more than once, (2), that is under 79 again, subject to the discretion of the Chair, underline the word discretion of the Chair, a Member may speak for more than once to a matter under discussion, but not until every Member wishing to speak has spoken. I have indicated earlier that every Member was given an opportunity to review and debate the activities summary, directorate, every Member was given that opportunity. I have stated I will recognize any Member who has not spoken yet to this activity summary, however, those Members who have not spoken, I will not recognize them but on subsequent pages I will give them every opportunity to speak. That was my ruling earlier. When we went back to page 5-6, directorate, which was reviewed, debated and concluded, Mr. Krutko, I recognized you five times in that matter that should have been concluded and was concluded earlier. I gave you five opportunities to speak to the matter which was concluded that we went back to. You have no point of order, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, point of order. In consideration that three quarters of my speaking time is taken up by the Minister, how do I get my ten minutes?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Steen. The ten minutes will allow you to make a general comment if you wish to, but if you are in fact asking questions and, I am sure, you want a response from the Minister. When you ask a question, Mr. Minister or his officials will respond to you. How you want to use the time is entirely up to you. If you want to speak for the duration of the ten minutes that is up to you, but if you want to ask questions, the Minister has the right to respond to you. Thank you. I am advised there has been a lot of leeway, so you have no point of order. On page 5-7, 1998-99 main estimates, activity summary, Public Works and Services project management, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance, $7.609 million. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a question to the Minister regarding the request for proposals. When the successful proposal is awarded, those who submitted proposals are sometimes left hanging as to the reasons why the proposal was awarded to a specific company, perhaps without a great deal of explanation of why the proponent was not successful. I have had some feedback from several companies that state that while the officers that explain this are very good, there sometimes seems to be a great deal of variation in the application of the rating system that is used. Of course because of this, it leaves it open to speculation why a contract was awarded and why it was not awarded to a specific company. I wonder if the Minister could tell us if he could make the rating sheets for proposal reviews public to the proponents that submitted them so they can understand the basis for the decisions and, in turn, improve upon their business proposals where they may be weak? This has been consistent. Over the last two years that I have been here, I have heard comments on that. I understand that the rating sheets are, perhaps, not made public to those proponents or there are variations in them. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Please try to be direct when we respond and ask questions, Mr. Minister.