Thank you, Mr. Lovely. Mr. Steen.

Thank you. The information you have, if it is within the government budget within the fiscal year and the Minister would like to entertain that, it is up to the Minister. Mr. Minister.

The honourable Member has a good point. If he cannot see clearly because of a lack of information he has from the previous budgets, not including this budget then, again, I apologize for that and we will try to provide that information. In the package that we have provided to the Members, it shows a Yellowknife office plan, space to be vacated by 2002. It is also in the package that we provided. It shows when lease spaces will be vacated and what space will be released at what time. That information is provided in the package that was just distributed. I would like you to note that on page 5-8, under asset management, the 1997-98 revised forecast total operations and maintenance is not much different from the main estimate that we are putting forward. The only difference is about $400,000. It is in the same ballpark as last year's revised forecast. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

Thank you. That involves another department. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We are working with the lead department, the FMBS, and looking at the division of assets and liabilities. The departments are participating in the exercise now where we are looking inside each department to see what these assets are, where they are and we are trying to determine how these assets will be divided. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the two departments which are being considered are headquarters cost. A small part of that would be identified as east and west. Thank you.

Thank you. You have 30 seconds, Mr. Steen.

Thank you. I do not know. Mr. Lovely.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will try to do it quickly in 30 seconds. When we are determining the liabilities, east and west, the assets are fairly straightforward because it is buildings, equipment and that sort of thing. When it comes to liabilities, the leases that we enter into in the capital, at this point, are for both territories. In future, of course, any space we occupy in Yellowknife will be occupied specifically by a western government. Any discussions with the federal government about transition costs associated with higher lease costs in a place like Yellowknife because the public service is reduced in size are normally dealt with through the Department of Finance and is part of formula negotiations. Thank you.

Thank you. That ends the time for Mr. Steen. On page 5-8, asset management. Mr. Ootes.

Thank you. The deputy minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The office space we occupy is broken down into general office space which is the space occupied by staff desks, file cabinets and that sort of thing. Every department has some specific requirements for program space. As an example, in the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, there would be a library of curricular materials that could be distributed to different parts of the territories, be it a video or an audio-visual centre for the storing of materials for class rooms, those sorts of things. It is the kind of space which is not occupied. Program space means the space is not occupied by staff but space required to do the business of the department and to act as either storage or to do program business. One good example in Yellowknife is the space occupied by the Department of Education in some of our buildings where they deliver social assistance or income support services. Not all of that is general office space. Some of it is the lobby, counselling, that sort of thing. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Ootes.

Thank you. Mr. Lovely.

That is correct, Mr. Chairman. In the case of the Lahm Ridge Tower, the total building space that we rent is 41,474 square feet, the Member was looking for the figure yesterday. Thank you.