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Bill 7: An Act To Amend The Territorial Court Act
Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Aivilik, that Bill 7, An Act to Amend the Territorial Court Act, be read for the second time. Mr. Speaker,

This bill reforms the process for appointment and discipline of territorial court judges. It establishes a judicial appointments advisory committee to make recommendations to the Commissioner in Executive Council, respecting the appointment of territorial judges. The advisory committee will be composed of territorial judges, representatives of the Law Society of the Northwest Territories and members of the public must take into account the ethnic and gender composition of the Northwest Territories.

The bill changes the composition of the judicial council and provides for the appointment of lay members to be made by the Commissioner in Executive Council. It also changes the grounds and methods for the discipline of territorial judges, including the removal of territorial judges.

The bill gives the chief judge power to establish a plan for continuing education and a program of performance evaluation for territorial judges.

The bill also repeals the definition youth court judge since it is not used in the body of the act. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Bill 7: An Act To Amend The Territorial Court Act
Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The motion is in order. To principle of the bill. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Bill 7, has had second reading, and accordingly stands ordered into a standing committee. Second reading of bills. Item 19, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters. Bill 8, Appropriation Act, 1998-99; Bill 9, Loan Authorization Act, 1998-99; Bill 11, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1997-98; Bill 12, Write-off of Debts Act, 1997-98; Committee Report 2-13(5), Committee Report 3-13(5), Committee Report 4-13(5), Committee Report 5-13(5), Committee Report 6-13(5), Tabled Document 15-13(5) and Tabled Document 16-13(5). With Mr. Ningark in the Chair.

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The Chair John Ningark

I call the committee to order. Under

item 19, we have several items to be considered now. What is the direction of the committee? Mr. Barnabas.

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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the committee wishes to consider Bill 8, Appropriation Act, 1998-99, Committee Report 2-3(5), Committee Report 3-13(5), Committee Report 4-13(5), Committee Report 5-13(5) and will continue with RWED and Education, Culture and Employment. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I do not know if I can remember all this, but Mr. Barnabas is suggesting we continue with Bill 8, Appropriation Act, 1998-99, Committee Report 2, 3, 4, and 5 and then from where we left off yesterday with RWED and then Education, Culture and Employment. Do we agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Yesterday, when we broke for the day, the Minister had made his opening remarks, the appropriate committee had made their remarks and we are now in general comments. Before we begin general comments, I would like to offer the Minister if he wishes to bring in witnesses. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Yes, I would. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Do we agree that the Minister will bring in his witnesses?

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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Could the Sergeant-at-Arms escort the witnesses please? Thank you. For the record Mr. Minister, could you please introduce the witnesses to the committee.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On my left, deputy minister, Joe Handley and on my right, the director of finance, Jim Kennedy. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Welcome to the committee. The Chair will now entertain general comments from the Members. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have some brief opening comments. I would first like to start by agreeing with the Minister that RWED has done a lot of good work. They have had some very tough times in the last two years. My own personal observation and working relationship with the regional office in Fort Smith is a very good one. I value the support and assistance that I get from the staff in the region. At the appropriate time, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking some questions about the Mackenzie River Basin Agreement, the type of agreements that have to be signed to get this board up and running, basically a work plan. I also have some questions at the appropriate time on community futures, especially as it relates to the south slave and specifically in Fort Smith. As well, I will be interested in some more information on the forest, timber inventories that are going on and timeframes for that as well as some questions in relation to forest management. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. I will allow Members who wish to make a general comment at the end. If there are no other Members who wish to make a general comment, I will allow the Minister to respond to the comments. Are there any further comments from the Members? Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Like the Department of Transportation, I have been somewhat concerned about cutbacks that have taken place. Certainly, in the Department of Transportation, it was quite heavy and in this department as well, certainly from year to year, and in the last two years holding the line. I am concerned about the fact this department is not getting more funding simply because it is one of the departments where there is potential for job creation. I am concerned about areas, like tourism, where at one time the tourist industry was supported very heavily with promotional money which has been cut back substantially of which there are many other areas. This particular department is responsible for employment throughout the territories, the fishing and forestry industry, all of our cottage industries and arts and crafts. If we do not allocate funds to this particular department for potential growth, then in essence, we get back to the old question, no jobs then what happens to people? They are dependent upon the social safety net. This means they have to be put on either income support or whatever means they can, but if we create jobs then they can be taken off that safety net and become healthy contributing citizens who feel good and they are not dependent anymore. In my mind, we need the Minister to be constantly aware of that and to fight for more dollars for this particular department.

This is a difficult time for us here in the territories and there are several departments that have increasing needs because of forced growth. We cannot do anything about that. At the same time, if we do not concentrate and put money into this particular department as well as transport to create jobs, then we are heading for problems. For example, tourism, there are many people in this territory who are dependent upon tourism for their livelihood, either on a full-time or part-time basis to supplement their income. From what I hear, we had a decrease in Yellowknife tourism in the last year. If we do not get out there and promote, have an advertising program to draw people and make them aware of the tremendous attractions we have here, all of our residents are going to lose out in the long run. We have to concentrate on job creation. I see this department as having a potential to solve some of those problems. Naturally, the mining industry, the oil and gas industry are huge employers, but we need to build a solid base behind that, something the people in the communities can work on for all of us to benefit in the long run because of the reductions in various other departments. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. General comments. Are there any further general comments? Mr. Minister, could you please respond to the general comments from the Members? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to get into detail. Thank you.

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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair John Ningark

Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. On page 11-6, Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, 1998-99 main estimates, activity summary, corporate management, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance, $12.221 million. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was wondering if the Minister could elaborate on the type of work that has to take place on the Mackenzie River basin board secretariat to get it up and running and the type of bilateral agreements that have to be negotiated along with the work plan over the next coming months? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Again, if the Minister would like one of his staff members to respond, that is his prerogative. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Probably the best thing to do is to get a short written update on the work we have done to date with the different governments from the Yukon, Alberta, Saskatchewan and BC on the work done to set up the boards and draft agreements we are working on, so that the Member would have a detailed report on which to work. We can provide that. We are going through the process of nominating members to sit on the boards, doing it with the federal government. We have put forward a name, Mr. MacLeod from the department because we think in the first year in establishing the board and secretariat there is a lot of work that needs to be done internally within government to get it up and running. We have done that, the following the year, we will consider nominations from the general public. There is also a nominee to come from the aboriginal side which is being finalized at this time. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. On corporate management. Mr. Picco.