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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, it is the view of the government that the Legislative Assembly is generally supportive of reaching an agreement on the Northern Accord with aboriginal groups, and it is about as generic as that. We all want to operate on a consensus basis to resolve these issues. Some of these issues are complex. They get us involved in areas like self-government negotiations, political and constitutional development processes are sometimes seen as negotiating and bargaining levers. The stakes are high and it is difficult to move, especially if the federal government appears very reluctant to allow anything to happen in this area by demanding unusual and unrealistic conditions to be met before proceeding.

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The Chair John Ningark

Merci. Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. For a little more clarity, if the Minister would, I would appreciate it. He had talked about the GNWT as generally supportive. To me, I am not hearing a really strong position there. I was wondering if that was just a term the Minster used or if he can give a very clear statement as to his department and this government's position on do they wish to proceed with negotiations and to secure a Northern Accord for the benefits of all northerners? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, of course, we would like to reach an agreement on the Northern Accord. It should be absolutely clear. In the previous government, the Minister responsible for this file spent close to $1 million working with the aboriginal groups over a period of a year and a half to try to reach an agreement. As I recall, at least 75 percent or more or the aboriginal groups were in agreement. There was substantive agreement, I thought, at that time, to proceed. The Minister of the day, decided not to proceed, simply because he knew the federal government would refuse to proceed on that basis. It was of little use for the Minister to stand up and say he was going to proceed even though there was not 100 percent consensus and still one or two groups opposing the Northern Accord at that time. Those are the dynamics of these negotiations. Even if the entire Legislature and Cabinet of the day had decided to proceed, we would have been refused at the other end. We have to keep that in mind. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank the Minister for clarity there. I would accept that this government does represent all peoples of the Northwest Territories, aboriginal or non-aboriginal. Does the department or the Minister have any other avenues they wish to proceed, that given, I would suggest at least 75 to 80 percent of the population of the Northwest Territories? That is 75 to 80 percent of the population of the Northwest Territories would support some form of devolving some of these powers and financial resources that the territories could gain some semblance of independence. Does the Minister or the department have any other way to pursue this with the federal government? From the information that the Minister has presented, probably a good 80 percent of the population of the Northwest Territories does support this. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, at the end of the day, the Premier is responsible for this particular file. If there is a question, it would probably be best put to the Premier. As I was saying, what we need the most is a positive supportive federal government, a federal government that would set some

reasonable terms and conditions for work to proceed on this file. So far it has been rather ambiguous and, therefore, kind of futile for us to continue working at it, at this time. It is not for lack of interest. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Final question in that area. A Northern Accord, other than the financial resources, how else would this, the securing of a Northern Accord, what other areas would affect the Northwest Territories and if the Minister can look at both areas, Nunavut and the Western Territory? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Minister, Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

The other factor is there is simply no time even if we wanted to get into negotiations to reach any tangible results before the end of 1999 or by April 1, 1999. At best, if we do this, start discussions I mean, we may be able to sign some sort of memorandum with the federal government to say how we are going to proceed with discussions on the Northern Accord, after April 1, 1999 with Nunavut and the Western Territory. This has been brought forward as a consideration but if Members know, there is a horrific amount of work to be done in so many areas preparing for division. The suggestion has simply been made to the federal Minister, where there has been no substantive response, as far as I know. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I will take your word for it. Mr. Henry, you had indicated your last question. (Translation) Thank you. Mr. Evaloarjuk. (Translation ends)

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Mark Evaloarjuk Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have two questions for the Minister. I will use Renewable Resources as an example, such as foxes and other wildlife. We heard briefly that there is a market for foxes, a lot more than seals. I wonder whether the Minister and his department have any kind of financial assistance to provide to the hunters or trappers. The new traps, the conibear traps, the quick kill traps, are supposed to be very good, but at the same time we found some problems using them, mostly for the larger animals. We have problems with getting larger animals because they tend to break the conibear traps. The old traps we used to have before, we were told not to use them anymore, but we are able to use those old traps again. Perhaps, would the Department of Renewable Resources be able to assist the hunters or trappers in acquiring the new conibear traps because they are really expensive? The old traps used to be a dollar a piece. They had some this winter at a store and they were $26 a piece. They are very expensive for those hunters that do not have any other income. They cannot afford to buy them at that price. I just wondered if the Minister and his department have any funding available to assist the trappers is purchasing those traps?

The other question has to do with the question from economic development. Sometimes there are a lot of people who do carvings, but they do not have anywhere to market them. Sometimes the Co-op does not want to buy them. The Northern Store does not want to buy them either. There should be assistance provided to those carvers who cannot sell their carvings because they have no other way to get any income.

The hunters usually get cash from selling their carvings, but if they cannot harvest and carve, they have no other income. There are also some communities that are without caribou and some communities have more caribou than others. Perhaps this could be traded between communities? Is there any assistance from your department to trade this meat between the communities? I have asked this question before. There is some rancid meat we usually trade between each other like walrus meat, which is a delicacy for our people. Some people mentioned they are not able to sell them but we always eat them. It is our delicacy and that is our way of providing food for ourselves. Would there be any assistance for intercommunity trading such as native foods like the ones I mentioned? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends)

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The Chair John Ningark

Qujannamiik, Mr. Evaloarjuk. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you. First of all there are trappers in the eastern Arctic, trappers in the Inuit communities that need assistance to get back to the business or get into the occupations of trapping. They should check with the renewable resource officers or the economic development officers. The department is very interested in working with trappers, people who want to get into trapping to make sure they are properly equipped. They have proper funding to get into it. There are grants, loans, Harvester Assistance Programs. There are a lot of programs available for trappers and harvesters and to people who want to get into it as a business. That would be my advice.

The issue of traps. It is true Canada has agreed to phase out leg hold traps. The old traps, we have to stop using them and get into using the new traps, the conibear traps. These, as far as I know, are not developed for use for larger animals but they are working on it. Research is continuing to be done.

His concern about carvers not being able to sell their carvings is work that needs to be ongoing. For instance, carvers need to be aware that people who buy their carvings are down south, southern Canada and United States. Certain types of carvings are more in demand than others. We have to do more work on marketing in the department. The Development Corporation has been working on that. If they require additional assistance because again, we support carvers, we want them to be able to make a living from it. The superintendents and local economic development officers are the people to see to make sure we can support the carvers.

In regard to intercommunity trade of caribou of wildlife meat, it is an excellent suggestion and certainly one we would work to support. There are a number of programs available that can be used. There is the Community Assistance Program, for instance, money can be given to local communities to go out and harvest caribou. We also provide money for communities to do organized hunts. We can find ways in which to help communities transport and get into the trade with other communities.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Before I recognize Mr. O'Brien, who is next on the list. On behalf of Mr. Rabesca, I would like to recognize up in the public gallery, from his riding, attending basic education classes, from Wha Ti, Lawrence Nitsiza.

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The Chair John Ningark

Cecilia Nitsiza.

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The Chair John Ningark

Louisa Nitsiza.

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The Chair John Ningark

Elizabeth Nitsiza.

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The Chair John Ningark

Cynthia Nitsiza.

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The Chair John Ningark

Theresa Romie.

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The Chair John Ningark

Carolyn Coey.

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The Chair John Ningark

Welcome to the Legislative Assembly.

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