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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Frequently in my political career I have made statements that have come back to haunt me and this must be another one. What I was trying to say at the time when I made my comment on taxation, I was trying to demonstrate to all who heard it and obviously all heard it, the seriousness that I placed on the need for this government to get a reasonable share of the benefits accrued from the nonrenewable resource industry, specifically diamonds. Taxation is one means in which this government can generate revenues that it can bring in and redistribute, in consultation with the Members of this House, back into the constituency at large. When am I going to bring in a tax, if I bring in a tax? Sensitive discussions are underway right now, as I believe my colleague knows, and we are trying to reach an amicable arrangement with the industry and some of the additional economic spinoffs that we think are necessary for northerners in the diamond industry. I am hopeful we will be able to come to some resolve on that. However, should there be a requirement for a tax that would bring about new revenues for the Western Territory and the future eastern territory, I still believe we have ample time to do that before the end of this illustrious time in this Assembly. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank the Minister for that response. I would like to ask one other question of the Minister with regard to taxation. I understand that in other jurisdictions and in particular the United States, the average citizen can now claim mortgage payments on their tax statements. In other words, they can show it as an expense on taxes. Obviously this would benefit all people of the Northwest Territories. I wonder if the government would give any consideration to this if the government was in favour of this move? Could the government open some kind of discussion with the federal government on this possibility? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen. Your ten minutes is up. Mr. Minister.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

There are huge ramifications, both fiscal and other, out there with respect to that kind of initiative. My understanding is this does not occur in Canada and never has. It does occur in the United States, Ms. Melhorn advises me. I would be prepared to take a preliminary look at it, but I think that at this stage of the game it would be very difficult because the federal government plays such a key role in our fiscal framework and it would require some discussions with Mr. Martin. I am prepared to take a preliminary look at it. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Todd. Fiscal policy. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My concern relates to the senior property tax exemption. A lot of seniors in my riding come to me when they receive this tax assessment in the mail. They react to it as if it is a bill and every year you have to walk them through the process of filling out an application to apply for the senior tax exemption. Is there a way that they could somehow streamline it so these people

are in the system then every year instead of having to apply for it? Is there any way that they can look at the possibility of finding a mechanism where you know that these individuals own their own homes and the property that you are talking about and these people have had this same residence for a number of years, the same address, the whole works. Is there a way so that they do not have to go through this burden every year? They have to run around, go to the hamlet, get them to sign a thing, get the Commissioner for Oaths to sign the document. For myself, I have had to deal with a lot of these cases in my riding where a lot of elders are upset and they figure that, you know, how come they keep getting these bills. They think it is a bill, but really they are exempt but they have to fill out this other documentation to go along with it. So, is there a way of somehow looking at that to see if we can streamline to make it easier on the elders?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Yes, just for clarity purposes, it is administered by MACA but I will undertake to hold discussions with them and see if there is a way to just make it automatic. Certainly, anything we could do to assist the elders of the territories we would be only happy to do. So I will undertake to take on discussions with my colleague, Ms. Thompson and her department and see if there is some way we can assist them to streamline this so it becomes, as my honourable colleague says, automatic and does not require continual form filling in. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Fiscal policy. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If possible, I think that a similar process should be looked at regarding the fuel subsidy. It basically runs on the same thread where they have to apply every year. If you can approach the Minister of Education on that matter and see if there is a way that they can look at that one also and streamline it so that they do not have to apply on this every year.

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Minister.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

I would be prepared to, as again, it is administered by another department as you know. I will look at my counterparts or my colleagues in seeing if there is some way we can streamline both of these issues. I am not making any promises but what I will say is that we will look at it. I think there is some validity in my honourable colleagues questions here in terms of the forms and the frustration that the elders may feel. We will see what we can do.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Fiscal policy, operations and maintenance. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Something just occurred to me here. The Minister's response to me is still the identification of a tax as by commodity and not for purpose. Why is there no fuel tax when you do not drive on the highway? In fact, it only applies to the highway.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

I perhaps did not explain myself as well as I should have. There is a tax on off-highway fuel, but it is lower, I am advised by Mr. Setchell. As well, we have an aviation tax for the airplanes, et cetera. So there is a tax, but it is lower. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

So, Mr. Chairman, if the money is not used for the purpose of highways, why is it higher when you are driving on the highway than if you do not drive on the highway?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Perhaps we are speaking of assured tax, Mr. Minister.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

My colleagues are advising me that there is a bit of a philosophical reasoning for some of this. Of course, for those people who do not have highways and off-highways, the costs are usually more expensive. Therefore, there is a lesser tax and, of course, those who do have highways, pay the higher price because they have highways.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If I could switch back to the suggestion of a tax reduction by housing mortgages. Now I am not talking about general mortgages. I was suggesting that people who are paying mortgages could show them as an expense on their yearly tax. I believe it is applied in the States. Considering the fact that we are trying to encourage people to buy their own houses, I do not understand why this would not be beneficial to the government. I appreciate that we would probably collect less tax, but it seems to me that this would serve to encourage people to purchase their own homes. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Todd.