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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Sahtu is seeking unanimous consent to go back to Ministers' statements. Do we have any nays? Mr. Kakfwi, you have unanimous consent.

Minister's Statement 42-13(5): Trip To London And Antwerp
Revert To Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, this is a month late, but it is essential to make sure we all report and become accountable. This is in regard to my trip in January to London and Antwerp. I recently lead a small delegation to London and Antwerp to meet with diamentaires who may play a significant role in the development of the diamond industry in the Northwest Territories and Canada. The diamentaires included companies and consultants from BHP Diamonds and Dia Met, Diavik, and Aber Resources, the Central Selling Organization and De Beers, and potential government diamond valuators.

The NWT and Canada are becoming players in the diamond world, and the NWT is seen by many as playing a key role in this unique global industry. It is important for the Government of the Northwest Territories to obtain opinions and information directly from those in the industry, rather than through the filter of the federal government in Ottawa. While we obtained a variety of perspectives and opinions, we feel we were also able to confirm our position on a number of issues.

Mr. Speaker, one of the things we have learned is that the valuation of rough diamonds is not a science. Rather, it is subjective because government valuation involves a degree of negotiation, supported by diamond experience, skill and knowledge. This is a new Canadian industry, Mr. Speaker, and it is imperative that if we err, we err on the side of caution. I am now even more convinced that a full and detailed sorting facility is required off of the mine site in a NWT community.

We also learned that sorting for market is an essential step, usually undertaken by the producer, in the process of selling diamonds. The level or detail of sorting for market depends on how and to whom the diamonds are sold. If diamonds are to be sold in the Northwest Territories, the amount of sorting for market will be done here and it will depend on how the diamonds are being sold. It must be recognized that the decision on how to sell the diamonds rests with the producer.

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In addition, trained workers, a favourable regulatory and tax environment and capital financing were all mentioned by existing diamond manufacturers as factors that must be examined.

We must also recognize that to develop a viable northern diamond manufacturing industry will take time and dedication. We need to develop the skills, the knowledge and the technology to compete with diamond manufacturing centres around the world. We must develop the proper environment to attract existing diamond manufacturers, and we must provide the necessary support to northerners who wish to enter into the diamond business.

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This trip to London and Antwerp gave our NWT delegation an opportunity to directly discuss our concerns and aspirations in detail with diamond valuators, dealers and manufacturers. The trip also allowed us to meet with individuals whose advice and input has been used by the federal government in the development of their positions and policies.

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Minister's Statement 42-13(5): Trip To London And Antwerp
Revert To Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi. Ministers' statements. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko.

Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Public Works. Given the recent discussions in this House on the matter of the Lahm Ridge Tower, I would like to ask the Minister if there are any new developments in the discussions between the Denendeh Development Corporation and the Minister's department on the DDC's initiative to purchase the Laing Building and the Stuart Hodgson Building?

Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Public Works and Services, Mr. Antoine.

Return To Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Yellowknife office space realization is a plan on how to deal with that has been approved by Cabinet recently in the last couple of weeks. We are in the process of developing a plan of action and how to proceed with it. Part of the plan is to look at the existing assets this government has. The decision has been to see if the possibility of selling off the Laing

Building is there. The Stuart Hodgson Building is not for sale, plus a couple of other properties. The Tapwe Building and some renewable resources property are going to be considered for sale. In regard to discussions with the Denendeh Development Corporation, apparently there have been some preliminary discussions in the past. There have been no decisions by this government until the last couple of weeks to go ahead with the office plan decision. Only a couple of weeks ago the decision was made that we are going to be selling some of these assets off and we are formulating a plan on how to do it. I think there is an aboriginal content in that as well. Specifically, the Denendeh Development Corporation proposal, I feel, is in the preliminary discussion stages in the last year or so. Thank you.

Return To Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In light of the Lahm Ridge Tower deal which took a matter of days to come up with that arrangement, the Denendeh Development Corporation, in conjunction with the Gwich'in Development Corporation, have been spending years approaching this government, the Department of Public Works, to look at the possibility of acquiring real estate in Yellowknife. They have been talking, putting proposals...

Supplementary To Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Ask your supplementary question, please.

Supplementary To Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to my supplementary question, can the Minister tell me, in light of the Denendeh Development Corporation's ongoing discussions it has with this government, which has been going on for over a year along with the Gwich'in Development Corporation, when does he feel these discussions will be concluded so they will know exactly what the arrangements are so they can go forth in regard to coming up with the financial arrangements to acquire these assets?

Supplementary To Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I had a meeting with the representative of the Denendeh Development Corporation two days ago. We explained to them the decision of the Cabinet to go ahead and sell the Laing Building. I think that is the building they are interested in, as well as the Stuart Hodgson Building. Again, the decision in Cabinet is that we are not going to sell the Stuart Hodgson Building and only the Laing Building. They told me they have been working on it for a number of years. They have met with members of Public Works and Services just looking at preliminary discussions. At that time, there was no decision made to sell these assets. The decision to sell the assets was finally realized about two weeks ago, and we are working on a process now to go through a public process. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the time it has taken to date, I would like to ask the Minister, why has this arrangement taken years? Yet, in regard to the Lahm Ridge Tower, it was just a matter of months? Why is there such a discretion between an aboriginal organization coming forth to this government versus a contractor, such as in the case of the Lahm Ridge Tower?

Supplementary To Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The honourable Member is asking me questions about aboriginal corporations and development corporations acquiring assets from this government. He is also equating it to the Lahm Ridge Tower deal. The Lahm Ridge Tower is a privately owned company that sold to another privately owned company. It has never been a government asset. It is a deal between two private businesses. In that case, it is a question that is difficult to answer. In that regard, it has never been the government's property. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

Supplementary To Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the aboriginal organizations have the same opportunity to acquire long-term leases such as in the case of the Lahm Ridge Tower, where it was a ten-year lease extension? Will they have the same opportunity in acquiring these government assets?

Supplementary To Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the properties this government had decided to sell is going to favour an aboriginal component to it. If that is done through a public process, then the opportunity will be there in the market. It will be dealt with like every other company that owns buildings in this capital to lease space to this government. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Picco.

Question 198-13(5): Tabling Of Lahm Ridge Tower Lease
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on the Lahm Ridge Tower deal, we have been hearing a lot of

questions on it. I guess it started the beginning of October. I would like to try to end it right now. I would like to ask the Minister for DPW would he table in this House a copy of the Lahm Ridge Tower lease with the pertinent financial information that is not needed by the Members of this House, black that out, give it to us, table it in the House? We can compare it to the lease that was tabled last week and then end all speculation there and then. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 198-13(5): Tabling Of Lahm Ridge Tower Lease
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Some Hon. Members

Hear! Hear!

Question 198-13(5): Tabling Of Lahm Ridge Tower Lease
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Public Works and Services, Mr. Antoine.

Return To Question 198-13(5): Tabling Of Lahm Ridge Tower Lease
Question 198-13(5): Tabling Of Lahm Ridge Tower Lease
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the deputy minister is seeking a legal opinion and seeking permission from the owners to say if that is possible. We will let this House know once that is done. Thank you.