Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Ms. Thompson.
Debates of Feb. 5th, 1998
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is exactly what the Keewatin mayors are trying to say, that what they prioritize gets cut. They would like to do the cutting themselves. If a community needs a fire truck the hamlet identifies it, the assistant fire chief at the regional level supports it, it goes into the capital plan. There is a process and I do not know how to make it more clear. Maybe that is not clear enough. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Are there certain national standards with regard to fire protection that we have to follow, where there has to be so much equipment for the size of a population to ensure that it is adequate? Is there a formula that we use to ensure there is a certain sized vehicle that you need for a population of a community? Say the population is 500, then you would get one truck. If your population is 800 you would get two trucks. If it is 1,000, then you would get three trucks. Is there a formula we have to use to allocate which is a national standard that we have to follow when it comes to fire protection?
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will pass that one to my assistant deputy minister, Mr. Christensen.
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Christensen
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There is a National Fire Protection Association of Fire Chiefs and they recommend standards, many of which are adopted directly by provincial and territorial jurisdictions. There is another group called the Insurance Advisory Organization and they recommend to governments and municipalities certain standards for fire protection which affect the fire protection vehicles that they purchase, as well as the design of the infrastructure itself. Generally, those standards are adopted and the standards and criteria that the government uses for our protection of facilities and equipment. In respect to fire trucks, we have adopted those standards for NWT communities, but at the same time we do try to maximize the useful life of those vehicles. They have a history of lasting a fair number of years. At the end of a 15-year period, what we can do is arrange for a recertification of that vehicle and where we can do that we do. We can extend the life of a fire truck for another five years because they tend to have very low mileage and use on them and can provide good duty for long periods.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you, Mr. Christensen. Before I recognize Mr. Krutko, I would just like to point out to the Member that fire trucks are under community operations. They are also identified under capital and community operations. It may be the appropriate place to ask questions in regard to fire trucks. Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was questioning the whole idea of national standards. How do we identify exactly what the demand on a community is regarding what type of standards there are in relation to the size of a population versus how much your water treatment plant has to have the capacity. Say you have a fire truck versus a utilidor system. You have to be able to know when the fire truck goes back to the water treatment plant that it is capable of not only running water out of the utilidor system but also using the fire truck. In the case of McPherson where there was a fire at the school, one of the things was that they ran out of water from the main tank that they were using, which was the point I was
trying to make. You have to have the infrastructure in place to be able to ensure that, if there is a fire, as in the case of Fort McPherson where it was the school, that you are able to basically, not only control the fire but also, not have an effect on the infrastructure, which is the water treatment plant, because of having to run out of water. The question I was making about the whole idea of there are certain standards that you have to follow when you develop these plans regarding emergency measures or what not, that you know exactly what the size of your population is, what type of infrastructure you have and also the type of equipment that you are using.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you, Mr. Krutko. I did not hear a question there. Did the Minister want to respond?
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have been informed that there are standards which are followed. I did not really hear a question either. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Does the Government of the Northwest Territories conform to all the standards? Who does the evaluation to ensure those standards are being carried out by this government?
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As I stated earlier, there is a regional assistant fire marshal that monitors and assesses at the community level. The standards are monitored by the assistant fire marshal from the regional office. Thank you.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you, Madam Minister. With that, I would like to recognize the clock. I thank the Minister and her witnesses. I will rise and report progress.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
The House will come back to order. Good evening. Item 20, report of committee of the whole. Mr. Steen.
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Bill 8, Appropriation Act, 1998-99 and Committee Report 03-13(5) and would like to report progress. Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of the committee of the whole be concurred with.
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Seconded by Mr. Roland. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried. Item 21, third reading of bills. Item 22, orders of the day. Mr. Clerk.
Item 22: Orders Of The Day
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton
Mr. Speaker. Meeting of the Ordinary Members' Caucus at 9:00 tomorrow morning.
Orders of the day for Friday, February 6, 1998:
1. Prayer
2. Ministers' Statements
3. Members' Statements
4. Returns to Oral Questions
5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
6. Oral Questions
7. Written Questions
8. Returns to Written Questions
9. Replies to Opening Address
10. Petitions
11. Reports of Standing and Special Committees
12. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills
13. Tabling of Documents
14. Notices of Motion
15. Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills
16. Motions
17. First Reading of Bills
- Bill 5, An Act to Amend the Financial Administration Act, No. 2
- Bill 7, An Act to Amend the Territorial Court Act
- Bill 9, Loan Authorization Act, 1998-99
18. Second Reading of Bills
19. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
- Bill 8, Appropriation Act, 1998-99
- Committee Report 02-13(5), Standing Committee on Government Operations, Report on the 1998-99 Main Estimates
- Committee Report 03-13(5), Standing Committee on Infrastructure, Report on the 1998-99 Main Estimates
- Committee Report 04-13(5), Standing Committee on Resource Management and Development, Report on the 1998-99 Main Estimates
- Committee Report 05-13(5), Standing Committee on Social Programs, Report on the 1998-99 Main Estimates
- Tabled Document 15-13(5), 1998-99 Budget Address
- Tabled Document 19-13(5), Guidelines for Implementing Public/Private Partnerships
20. Report of Committee of the Whole
21. Third Reading of Bills
22. Orders of the Day
Item 22: Orders Of The Day
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Clerk. This House stands adjourned to Friday, February 6th at 10:00 a.m.
--ADJOURNMENT