Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, that might be a better question for Justice and I would not have that information about what the costs had been. They do not come back to MACA, I know that. With respect to the response from RWED on this, I do not think it has been pursued vigorously from our end as an issue. Again, I cannot speak to what they might be doing with it there. Thank you.
Debates of Feb. 5th, 1998
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Ballantyne
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. I have on the list here Mr. Krutko, Mr. Picco, Mr. Steen and Mr. Henry. Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regard to the question about the emergency measures in Aklavik last year, where there was potential flood which it seems occurs every couple of years, are there any plans in place in regard to the whole idea of evacuations? For instance, in the case of Aklavik where basically, there is only one way in or one way out, which is the airstrip. If that goes you are trapped unless you can use helicopters. In regard to that case, it seems like we are always in the reaction stage. We usually react to things versus being prepared for it. Are there any efforts made to test these things out to see exactly how they work in having these exercises just to do a scenario so the community knows if the fire alarm goes off, what do you do? In the case of a flood, if the fire alarm goes off, you should be prepared for it so you are not reacting to it. You have a checklist in place and you walk through it. In the majority of times, it is the fire fighters who do a lot of the work. They are the ones who should be taking the training. Is there any way of implementing the testing of these plans periodically so that you know you are trying to work the kinks out? You mentioned the incident in Tulita and Norman Wells. Everybody knows that could have happened anywhere. I think we have been lucky in the last couple of years where that incident can happen. What we are saying, with El Nino and everything that is happening in southern Canada, it can happen up here just as easy as it has happened down there. I think, keeping that in mind, we should be more in the preparation stage then basically the reaction stage. I was wondering if you guys periodically try these things out to see how they work?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Madam Ballantyne.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, in situations where there is a potential flooding situation, the rivers are watched very carefully. This is certainly the case almost every spring in Hay River and also with the Salt River in the last few years. This was the case in Aklavik last spring when there was a potential flood situation there. In that case, certainly in advance of the situation, it is often from local knowledge that people have about how much snow there is and often what elders think is going to happen with the river in the spring. The local people are alerted. Our regional superintendent and staff are certainly alerted. Last year, for example, in Aklavik we were receiving almost daily reports from the regional superintendent as the river rose. It looked, as you know, very close at one point that it was, in fact, going to flood.
In specific answer to the question, yes, the flooding situations are always closely monitored. In terms of are they tested, the emergency measures sometimes do include things like mock disaster, and these do occur in some communities from time to time where there will be a mock disaster just to test how well the plan works. Sometimes these are done with an aircraft crash simulation or an accident simulation. They have proven to be very beneficial. So yes, those things do occur as well. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Emergency services, Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Are the tests done in all communities? You mentioned in some communities it occurs, but probably the majority of the time, perhaps in Yellowknife where they have everything but the kitchen sink in which they have fire trucks and ladders, you name it. A lot of the communities are putting around in volkswagens where these guys have got cadillacs. I think there is a difference in regard to that you can test it
Page 601 where everything is there. If you test it in a community where basically if the fire truck works one day, great, if you have to boost it to start it and try to get all these other things going, you learn from those mistakes. You take those things out. The reason I ask the question is because there are plans there, all right, but you have to spend many years with Esso where basically every month we had to do a drill where you had to put on your oxygen tank, mask, run out with the hoses, go out with the fire truck, and test it in the middle of winter. It did not matter if it was 40 below or 30 below. Basically, it had to work. The only way we knew it worked was that you had these tests, and if something was wrong, you knew. You do not wait until the incident happened, then you do the test and you find out that the pump is frozen or the truck will not run. You try to make sure by doing these tests every once in awhile that you find these problems in relation to the equipment, who is in charge of what. You do not want ten foremen and one guy running the truck and that is the end of it. Everybody has to know what their places are and who is responsible for what. That is why I asked the question. I know that these types of things do happen in larger centres where you have fire trucks, where you have more people such as in Yellowknife - used to be Norman Wells, wherever - because of the airports and where they have equipment. Do they do these tests in every community just to ensure that they all know what their roles are and what equipment they have, does it work or does it not?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Madam Minister.
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The other day, last week or something, one of the Members asked what if there is snow in the doorway of the fire truck. That seemed to be what the Member was saying, it might not be the right words. The community has to take some responsibility in these everyday functions of their firehall and there is training that we give to the volunteers. The community should be monitoring some of the equipment and we assist them where we can. I will provide the Member, through the department, the training initiatives we do with the fire volunteers in the communities. The communities should take on some responsibilities. They are able to do that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just to put the onus on the communities, especially regarding Fort McPherson, for years they have been asking for a new fire truck. There have been several incidents where there was a fire where the fire truck, for some reason, could not start and it is an older piece of equipment where you keep trying to fix it up so it is in running order. I would like to know who does the assessment on the equipment in these communities to ensure the equipment is in good working order and also the equipment that the firefighters themselves use is up-to-date and safe. The majority of these individuals are volunteers. If there is ever a fire and someone was ill-equipped in regard to a fire in which we lost someone's life, is it the fire marshall who can write a letter to MACA asking that this be classified as an important item that he recommends the fire truck be replaced or the equipment is...
--Laughter
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Is there not a by-law making a community emergency plan a requirement, Madam Minister?
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We recommend that they do. Now regarding the Member's concerns how these fire trucks are assessed, there is an assistant fire marshall in the regions that trains the fire chief in the community. Then those two people assess the equipment. There are also foremen in those communities who can also assess the equipment and there are also the mechanics in the garages in all the communities that assess these things. In terms of a fire truck, we have regional assistant fire marshals that can be contacted if there is equipment that needs to be assessed. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Krutko, your time is up for the time being. Mr. Picco.
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regard to emergency services in Iqaluit, I understand that the federal government deals with this and (Translation ends) 28 new airports will be included under emergency services to get back their fire department. I am wondering, under emergency services, has MACA been aware of this announcement and does that also include the Iqaluit airport?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Ms. Ballantyne.
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Mr. Chairman, I am just looking at the federal Transport Canada news release on this item and I see a list of airports required to provide aircraft firefighting service. Yellowknife is on this list. I do not see any other NWT airport.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Picco.
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I understand that the regulations have included the busiest airports in Canada and also all capital cities in Canada, the provinces and the territories. As we know, Iqaluit will be the capital of the new territory of Nunavut. Can the department inquire with the federal authorities, indeed, to see if Iqaluit would be included under ERS because of that reason? I also note that in the National Airport Systems book put out by Transport Canada, they say in that book, I have showed a copy to the Minister for Transportation, that indeed, the capital of Nunavut should be included in the National Airport Systems. I think from that, they should have the emergency response services. This area came up last year with the cooperation of MACA. Our fire department in Iqaluit received extra training to be able to respond to any type of emergency or incident at the airport, but we still do not have the dedicated ERS service, and I think it is still a concern. I know there is a working committee on the town council who are looking at this. I am wondering if the department can follow up on that for me.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Madam Minister.
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There may have been a lot of responsibilities transferred to my department, but transportation has still not been transferred over. I will refer the concern of the Member to the Minister of Transportation of airports. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Mr. Picco.
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I realize that the airports themselves are under the Department of Transportation, but emergency services, such as the response of the fire department, is under MACA. We do not have any emergency services and that is why I am addressing the question to MACA. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Do you want to respond, Madam Minister.
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will have to work with my partner again on this, my partner from Transportation, and get back to the Member as soon as I can. Thank you.