Thank you, Mr. Henry. Motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? One against. Motion is carried. Mr. Henry.
Debates of April 23rd, 1999
This is page numbers 303 - 319 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was corporation.
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Committee Motion 4-13(7): Tendering To Be Performed By Local Contract Authorities (nwthc)
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Committee Motion 5-13(7): Development Of Revised Rent Scale (nwthc)
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The third motion of the committee is, I move that this committee recommends that the Housing Corporation develop a revised rent scale that takes into account western realities and implement it as soon as possible. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Committee Motion 5-13(7): Development Of Revised Rent Scale (nwthc)
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Committee Motion 5-13(7): Development Of Revised Rent Scale (nwthc)
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The NWT Housing Corporation had two sets of rent scales, one for on-highway, one for off-highway. They had these rent scales in place for many years. I believe it is in the early 80's that people in the Western Arctic were paying quite a bit higher rent than the people in the Eastern Arctic. That unbalance continued for well over ten years. People in the west paid far more rent than the people in the east making the same amount of money. I guess I need clarification from the Member when he says, develop a revised rent scale that takes into account western realities and implementing them as soon as possible. I would hope that no Member is looking at just an in-house review of rent scales and implementing it without proper consultation with housing authorities, proper consultation with the people in the western Arctic that live in these houses.
I know that previous Ministers of the Housing Corporations spent millions of dollars revising rent scales and consulting. Is that where we are we going to spend the money, or are we going to spend the money building more houses that are desperately needed? I, myself, do not see a big problem with the rent scale right now. It is tied to earnings, there are places in there where students get breaks, elders do not pay rent, and it is also set up to encourage people to move into their own housing and there are programs to assist them to do that. I do not understand or know where this motion is coming from because it could mean a lot of work for the Housing Corporation's staff that could be used somewhere else better. Mr. Chairman, I do not know where I ask for clarity of what this motion means, or who I ask?
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The Chair David Krutko
Thank you, Mr. Morin. Can someone from the committee speak to the motion? Mr. Erasmus.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Mr. Chairman, it is precisely because of what Mr. Morin is speaking about that there are on-highway communities, off-highway communities, and it seemed as though the east was way behind the west in paying rents and the rest of that, that we wanted to review this so that it accurately reflects the situation which is only in the west and in which we no longer have to consider the eastern situation. Also, there are different tenants in the units now that a lot of people have moved out and there are different tenants in a lot of areas. I do not think that we wanted the Housing Corporation to just implement it on its own. There has to be some consultation and it has to be brought back to the committee as well. Thank you.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is good to hear that there should be consultation. I can understand why this motion is put forward then. But also the motion should be very clear and leave no interpretation to the civil service that they are to develop a revised rent scale that takes into account western realities and then implement it. That is what this motion says. A possible amendment to this would be that they would develop, in consultation with the communities and the housing authorities, a revised rent scale that takes into account the western realities and bring it back to the committee for a review before implementing it as soon as possible.
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Committee Motion 5-13(7): Development Of Revised Rent Scale (nwthc)
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes.
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The Chair David Krutko
Thank you, Mr. Morin. We will have to make a copy of the motion and distribute it. We will take a short recess to develop the motion to amend. Thank you.
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Committee Motion 5-13(7): Development Of Revised Rent Scale (nwthc)
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The Chair David Krutko
I would like to call the committee back to order. We are dealing with committee motion 5-13(7). I will ask for the amendment to the motion. Mr. Morin, for the record, could you read your motion to amend.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that committee motion 5-13(7) be amended by adding the following after the words "as soon as possible":
And further that the revised rent scale be developed in consultation with communities and local housing authorities,
And further that the revised rent scale be brought back to the committee for its review at the earliest opportunity.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair David Krutko
Thank you, Mr. Morin. The motion to amend is in order. To the motion. Mr. Morin.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Question.
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The Chair David Krutko
Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. To committee motion 5-13(7) as amended. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Mr. Morin.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that we report progress.
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The Chair David Krutko
There is a motion on the floor to report progress. The motion is not debatable. To the motion. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. I will now rise and report progress.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
The House will come back to order. We are on item 21, report of committee of the whole. Mr. Krutko.
Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Bill 17, Appropriation Act, 1999-2000, and committee report 1-13(7) and would like to report progress with three motions being adopted. Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of the committee of the whole be concurred with.
Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Seconded by Mr. Erasmus. The motion is in order. To the motion. May I have some order in the House, please. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Item 22, third reading of bills. Item 23, orders of the day. Mr. Clerk.
Item 23: Orders Of The Day
Item 23: Orders Of The Day
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Deputy Clerk Mr. Schauerte
Mr. Speaker, meetings of the Special Committee on Western Identity at 2:00 p.m. Meetings for Monday, April 26, 1999, at 9:30 a.m., the Standing Committee on Government Operations and at 11:30 a.m., the Management and Services Board.
Orders of the day for Monday, April 26, 1999:
1. Prayer
2. Ministers' Statements
3. Members' Statements
4. Returns to Oral Questions
5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
6. Oral Questions
7. Written Questions
8. Returns to Written Questions
9. Replies to Opening Address
10. Replies to Budget Address
11. Petitions
12. Reports of Standing and Special Committees
13. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills
14. Tabling of Documents
15. Notices of Motion
16. Notices of Motion for First Reading of Bills
17. Motions
18. First Reading of Bills
- Bill 18, Loan Authorization Act, 1999-2000
19. Second Reading of Bills
20. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
- Bill 17, Appropriation Act, 1999-2000
- Committee Report 1-13(7)
21. Report of Committee of the Whole
22. Third Reading of Bills
23. Orders of the Day
Item 23: Orders Of The Day
Item 23: Orders Of The Day
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. This House stands adjourned to Monday, April 26, 1999, at 1:30 p.m.
--ADJOURNMENT