Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As noted in the Budget Address by the Minister of Finance last week as well, the government intends to provide funding to support the continuation of the Working Together program by providing a wage subsidy for employers to hire students and youth and help them acquire the essential skills necessary for securing meaningful and lasting employment. Therefore, I move that the amount of $1 million be added to the operations and maintenance, Main Estimates of the Department of Education, Culture and Employment programs under the activity, Advanced Education and Careers, grants and contributions, contributions, to provide funding to support the continuation of the Working Together program.
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In the Legislative Assembly on May 12th, 1999. See this topic in context.
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The Chair Jake Ootes
Thank you. We have a motion on the floor. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.
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Some Hon. Members
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Could the Minister indicate how much interest was accumulated for these two million dollars since last week? The Minister had indicated yesterday that this money was accumulating interest.
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There has been a tremendous amount of interest generated. In fact, if I had a dollar for every syllable and vowel uttered in support of education in the last three weeks, people in the Northwest Territories would be happy people. There has been tremendous interest generated and we are going to try to make the most of that interest. Thank you.
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The Chair Jake Ootes
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Further questions? Contributions, $23.149 million, as amended. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Page 9-15, Advanced Education and Careers. Details of capital, land and building, headquarters region. Total headquarters region, $936,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Page 9-17, Education and Culture. Operations and maintenance, $91.240 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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Page 9-19, Education and Culture, grants and contributions. Grants, $60,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Page 9-22, Education and Culture, details of capital, land and buildings, headquarters region. Total headquarters region, $5.604 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair Jake Ootes
Agreed, Mr. Miltenberger? Inuvik region. Total Inuvik region, $3.614 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I notice in the Inuvik region that high temperature hot water system. Did these amounts not come under Public Works in previous years and, if so, why are they in the education component?
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The Chair Jake Ootes
Mr. Henry, we have already approved the Inuvik region. I will need the committee's permission to go back to the Inuvik region. Is the committee agreed to go back to the Inuvik region?
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Some Hon. Members
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. For clarification, if the total capital has not been agreed to by the committee, then you still cannot ask a question on that page? Is that what you are saying?
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The Chair Jake Ootes
Mr. Henry, I had called Inuvik region and then total Inuvik region, and we had agreed to that and then we had gone on to total lands and buildings and we were finally on total capital. We have permission to go back to that item.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for the clarification. Again my question on the high temperature hot water system, I believe that over the past couple of years, we have had approvals for these items under Public Works and Services, if I recall. Could I get some clarification why it is also under Education, Culture and Employment?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My understanding is this $1.2 million has to be budgeted by education because it is a renovation cost and it is separate from the ongoing costs of paying for the use of the high temperature hot water system. This is to convert. We, as a department, had to budget for that $1.2 million renovation cost.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do recall the rationale for this conversion, and it certainly made economic sense. It may not be the appropriate area to ask, but I would be interested in knowing how much the conversion by all departments, and I realize this Minister does not have that information, but I would seek it, how much of the conversion for this particular component has cost over the past, I believe it is three years, since it started?
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The Chair Jake Ootes
Thank you, Mr. Henry. The Minister may have that information, but if he does not, it may be more appropriate to put it to the Minister of Finance or Public Works and Services tomorrow during question period. Mr. Miltenberger, do you wish to address the question?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do not have those figures. My layman's assessment is that it has cost lots, but I would have to quantify what that means. I will not be able to respond at this point other than those comments. Thank you.
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The Chair Jake Ootes
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Further questions on the Inuvik region? Inuvik region. Total Inuvik region, $3.614 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Mr. Chairman, could we ask questions on page 9-24?
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The Chair Jake Ootes
Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. We will give you that opportunity to ask questions on page 9-24.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Could the Minister indicate what these two projects are, , particularly the housing in Fort Smith?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
This particular project is to replace old housing units that sort of stand alone and are scattered around the town and, many of them are in a state of some disrepair. It is an attempt to consolidate and tie into the campus facilities near the town core. Thank you.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Could the Minister indicate how many units this is?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
I believe it is 25. They are looking at 23 bedroom units and five four-bedroom units.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is in addition to some other student housing already in existence, I would imagine. How many units in total will there be after this project is completed?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do not have the information of the total number of units in town in the community. I will have to check. There is going to be a number of them decommissioned. Some of them are going to be possibly turned over to the housing and some possibly to the Pentecostal Church. How many we will end up with in total, I will commit to get that information but I do not have it. Thank you.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The department must have a target that they wish to meet. Does the department have an estimate of how many units they require and will they be able to meet that requirement once this project is completed?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is basically a replacement project and it is anticipated it will meet the needs for accommodation for the Thebacha Campus in Fort Smith. Thank you.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Do they require 500 units for all their students or 400? How many do they require?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is he talking for the whole Northwest Territories or for Fort Smith. I do not think there are 500 houses in Fort Smith.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am just trying to get an estimate of how many units they require for the students that are going to the Thebacha Campus in Fort Smith.
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the interest of accuracy and not just taking ballpark guesstimates, I will commit to get that information and will identify the number of units we have, the apartments that are available, Breynat Hall residents. We will itemize the entire accommodation inventory in the Thebacha Campus. Thank you.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Does the Minister know how many units they provide for student housing in Yellownkife?
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
I would not want information off the top of the Minister's head, so I will wait. Could the Minister indicate if that housing is sufficient for the students' needs in Yellowknife?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We will provide that information, the estimate of need, as well as the numbers of units in Yellowknife and whether it is deemed to be adequate or not. My understanding is that there are some shortcoming and repairs being done and renovations and such, but once again, I will commit to getting that specific information.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Mr. Chairman, should we defer finishing this particular part of the budget until we get that information?
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The Chair Jake Ootes
Mr. Erasmus, this is an information item. It is not part of the budget. Mr. Erasmus, it is the Members' right and privilege to do and proceed as they desire. Further questions? Mr. Henry.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is the campus in Fort Smith, as far as occupancy in the classroom facilities, is it at present completely occupied?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Thebacha Campus, for the most part, is fully utilized. Courses come and go. There are weekly courses, there are semester courses, there are courses based on third party funding. The enrolments, to my understanding, have been stable and fairly average for that particular campus. Yes, I would say that facility is being fully used.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am glad to hear that it is being fully utilized. Presently then, Mr. Chairman, I could assume that these proposed units are not constructed yet so presently all the students attending that require housing are being accommodated in potentially not ideal conditions. I think the Minister said some of the units were a little dilapidated. Am I correct in assuming that all the students who are attending the campus right now are accommodated? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
To my knowledge, in one way or another, in varying degrees, as the Member accommodated, yes. They are accommodated in units scattered across the community in various stages of disrepair and various stages of age.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can the Minister just tie in this $4 million? Is this going to be an annual thing? What is going to happen to the units that are presently being used to house the students that attend Thebacha? Thank you.
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is a P3 project, the process that has been discussed and reviewed with all Members. These are initial construction costs. There is going to be, as part of this process as there will be with other P3 projects, an arrangement negotiated and entered into with the successful bidder to construct and maintain these facilities in return for the lease payments over the longer term. This is the initial capital investment. It is not going to be an ongoing cost. Like all other P3 projects, once the details of the lease are negotiated, they will be able to budget for those as we have requested that departments do. Thank you.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Minister's comments require a little more clarification. Could the Minister just tell me what the total cost of the project is to provide these units? I take it that it is more than $4 million but could the Minster just tell me first of all what is the total cost of these proposed units? Thank you.
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The estimated project scope is $4 million. This is what has been referred to by the finance people as an off-balance sheet expenditure. There is no initial capital outlay on part of the department. Our cost comes in the yearly lease payments. I recollect very clearly we asked every department in the social program to have a page that identified P3 so we would know what the cost is. That is what it is, but it is not a cost to the government at this point. Thank you.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think that is the type of information that the public needs to know, that these are not, and both cases are not, expenditures of the government. They will be financed by private developers, but the government will assume, under the P3 initiative, the cost to finance these over a period of time, if the Minister would clarify the accuracy of that. Thank you.
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If I could just read the second sentence of the heading on that particular page, 9-24, under the P3 approach, a private developer constructs a facility to meet the government's functional program requirements and the government enters into an operating lease for use of the facility. Possibly that could be elaborated on to indicate its off-balance sheet expenditure and such. I believe that is the nub of this approach. Thank you.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Further to Mr. Henry's questions and also to the original questions that I had asked the Minister. The Minister had indicated that with this P3 project which would be, I guess, to consolidate some aged and dilapidated housing, that the needs for the student body at Thebacha Campus would be sufficiently met, but he also indicated that the housing that is provided in Yellowknife is not sufficient to meet the needs of the students. I would like to ask the Minister if he would consider a similar off-balance sheet to P3 projects for Yellowknife so that we would have adequate housing to meet the needs of the student body here. Thank you.
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is an issue as the government looks at, in fact, how well this P3 process has worked as they do their evaluation and they look at deciding whether they are going to continue with the P3 approach. Further requests and projects will be brought forward of which there are many. The situation in Yellowknife with the College campus did as referred by my honourable colleague of course will be on that list. From what I recollect, the College with the Thebacha Campus Proposal, pull together a fairly effective and tight proposal that received approval. I will commit that once we are clear on how we are going to look at this as a government and a Legislature that yes, it will be on the list for consideration. Thank you.
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The Chair Jake Ootes
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Further questions. No further questions, we will carry on. Page 9-25, active positions. This is an information item. Page 9-26, information item, student loan revolving fund. Any questions? Page 9-27, information item, detail of funding allocated to educational bodies. No further questions. Page 9-29, information item, college funding allocation. No further
questions. Page 9-30. Mr. Erasmus.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If I remember correctly, the money that had gone down in Student Financial Assistance was as a result of less program money for the college. Is there an indication that this funding and, of course with the third party funding that comes from other governments and from private industry, would there be more programs this year than there were last year in the colleges?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I can just specify for the Member that under colleges, there is an addition of $43,000 for forced growth and utilities, $1.0 million roughly for new job evaluations and adjustments. Now that we have passed the Community Strategies for Work, there will be some funding that was initially sunsetted that will be put back into the college. It is about $.5 million less than was in the budget under Northern Employment Strategy from last year, but there will be some funds to offset that. Pre-employment training is for $265,000, diamond training, $265,000. There is a transfer of $30,000 from other operations and maintenance from ABE and Literacy and $750,000 for enhanced training for health and social work professionals. Thank you.
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The Chair Jake Ootes
Thank you, Mr. Minister. This is an information item. We are on page 9-29. Questions? Mr. Erasmus.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to thank Mr. Minister for that information. Could he indicate whether there will be the same amount of programs being offered in the colleges as there were last year, courses, I should say? If not, could he indicate where there would be less courses being offered?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The base funding, as I have indicated to the Member has been increased somewhat. The one issue that we are not certain of for the coming year is the third party funding where outside agencies and possibly governments or groups paid to have courses. The base funding for the college is there and the third party funding side is where we are not clear on at this point. Thank you.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the information on the base funding but it does not really tell me much about if there are going to be the same amount of courses or more courses or less courses being offered. Will this core funding, the base funding, will that allow the college to put on the same amount of programs that they had last year with their base funding?
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Aside from the third party funding issue, it is anticipated that the money in the budget and the increases to the base will allow us to maintain the current programs as well as the additions that were touched on in regard to pre-employment, diamond training, enhanced training for health and social services professionals, and now that we have passed the motion on the Communities for Skills for Work we will be able to maintain some of those out of the previously sunsetted strategies. Thank you.
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The Chair Jake Ootes
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Further questions? No further questions. We are on page 9-29, college funding allocation, information item. Page 9-30, detail of work performed on behalf of others, there are three pages and we will flip to page 9-32, total department will be $14.584 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Jake Ootes
That concludes. We will now return to program summary on page 9-7 and we have Education, Culture and Employment, program summary, operations and maintenance, as amended, $156.024 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Jake Ootes
Mr. Minister, I would like to thank you and the witnesses for being with us today.
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The Chair Jake Ootes
For the information of the Members we have some cleanup work to do and it relates to the committee report. I believe we have a motion. I will call on Mrs. Groenewegen.