I call committee of the whole to order. We have today, tabled document 31-13(7) and Bill 21, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1999-2000. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Dent.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Madam Chairperson, I would like to recommend that the committee consider Bill 21, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1999-2000.
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I call the committee back to order. We are dealing with Bill 21, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1999-2000, Mr. Dent, would you please introduce the bill. Mr. Dent.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson, Supplementary Appropriation No. 1, 1999-2000, requests authority for additional appropriations of $22,378,024 made up of $6,373,024 for operations and maintenance expenditures and $16.005 million for capital expenditures.
Approximately $1.2 million of the new supplementary requirements will be offset by revenues or other recoveries and will not impact the government's operating results for the year. As a result, the net funding requirement, included in this supplementary appropriation is $21 million.
The additional appropriations have been provided for in the estimated supplementary appropriation requirements included in the 1999-2000 Main Estimates. The $16 million required to complete capital projects, carried over from 1998-99, is greater than the $11 million identified in the Main Estimates for this purpose. However, the full amount did lapse last year and was reflected in the year end result for 1998-99.
A number of interdepartmental transfers are also included in the supplementary appropriations which do not require additional funding.
The operations and maintenance supplementary appropriation requirements include the following major items:
1)$3 million for the costs of the equal pay tribunal to deal with the equal pay complaint.
2)$2.2 million related to the continuation of the public/private partnership initiative of which approximately $1.2 million will be recovered from developers over the next two years.
The supplementary capital appropriation requirements include:
1)$16 million in capital carry-overs from the 1998-99 fiscal year. The funding was approved and lapsed in the 1998-99 year and is required to complete ongoing projects in the 1999-2000 fiscal year.
Mr. Chairman, I am prepared to review the details of the supplementary appropriation document.
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you, Sergeant-at-Arms, would you please bring in the witnesses. Mr. Dent, for the record would you please introduce your witness.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Madam Chairperson, with me today I have Mr. Lew Voytilla, the secretary to the Financial Management Board.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. In regard to the Minister's statements where he states that additional appropriations have been provided in regard to the supplementary appropriation, in regard to 1999-2000, that the $16 million was required to complete capital projects carried over from 1998-99 and this is greater than $11 million identified in the Main Estimates for this purpose. Can the Minister elaborate or expand on that to identify exactly why we have to have a difference from $16 million to $11 million which was identified in the Main Estimates.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Madam Chairperson, the $11 million identified in the Main Estimates was an estimate which was prepared after consultation with departments following the third quarter in which the departments were asked to estimate what they thought would be lapsed on capital projects underway. There were a number of unforeseen events, it would seem, that meant that the estimate was off by $5 million. Madam Chairperson, as I said in my opening comments, all of those monies were approved in the previous year and they were lapsed so it was monies that were approved for projects that were not expended in the capital projects by March 31, 1999. The projects were ongoing, but had not reached a stage where progress payments were made in the amount that had been expected would be made by departments. Thank you.
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Yes, thank you, Madam Chairperson. The reason I ask the question is that we just got ourselves out where we ended up with a major deficit in which we had to make some fundamental changes to the way we deliver programs and services and also, cuts to personnel in the government to get out of the deficit, and I do not want to see ourselves getting into the situation where we found ourselves three and a half years ago. I would like to ask the Minister exactly what steps or measures are being taken to ensure that we do not find ourselves in a situation of a deficit in regard to the Deficit Elimination Act which was in place and also what is the status of the act at the present time?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. To answer the last question the Member asked first, it is my understanding that the Deficit Elimination Act does not apply to the 1999-2000 budget, however, as I said in the Budget Address, we have brought forward a budget that, while it has a deficit in it, we have sufficient monies in the accumulated surplus to cover the annual deficit that we are projecting this year. What are we going to do to try and ensure that we do not exceed the $34 million projected deficit? Madam Chairperson, I have advised all Ministers and departments that it will be very difficult to have funding added to supplementary appropriations, and we will expect departments to ensure that we live within the supplementary reserve that we have put into this year's budget. Now going back to the first part of the Member's question which had to do with the difference between the $16 million and the $11 million that was shown in the Main Estimates; it should be pointed out that that difference in $5 million was actually lapsed so that $5 million was, if you want, sitting in the bank on March 31st. It had not been paid for capital projects that were underway simply because they had not reached a stage that required the payment. So, it was not as if we had to find extra money for those projects. That was money we had thought would be paid out in capital projects by March 31, 1999, but, in fact will not be paid out until some future date, or some of them may be ready to be paid now, because the project was not as far along as we had expected. Thank you, Madam Chairperson.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. In regard to the Minister's comments. He made reference to there is as of 1999-2000, there is no Deficit Elimination Act, is that what I heard? If so, what is in place to protect us against going into a deficit situation?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. As I understand it, our legal advice is that the Deficit Elimination Act will not apply for the fiscal year 1999-2000. I believe it is because there were years that were actually mentioned in the act so it applied to specific years that were mentioned in the act when it was passed and we are now past those years. Members will remember, the driving factor for the introduction of the Deficit Elimination Act was to ensure that we could achieve the creation of two new territories as close to debt free as possible. I think it is worth noting that we did in fact do that. We ended up with both territories having money in the bank. What do we have to protect us? Well, you have my resolve that I will be vigilant at ensuring that the departments live within their budgets, and I will be very difficult to convince that money should be put in supplementary appropriations, and then it is up to the Members of this House to continue that vigilance. Thank you, Madam Chairperson.
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you, Mr. Dent. Any further general comments? If not, is the committee agreed that we will go clause by clause, review the bill? I am sorry,
review of the detail first. If I could direct your attention please, to page 5 of your green tab 21, tab 21, page 5, in your green binders. Executive operations and maintenance, executive offices, Cabinet secretariat, not previously authorized, $200,000. Agreed?
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Is the $200,000. that has not been authorized, is there going to be an audit of that money or is there some way of accounting for it?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
I would expect that the groups would be expected to provide us with copies of their invoices and statements from their legal counsel to demonstrate that these amounts have been expended.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Was there a specific category of how this money was going to be spent? Was it clearly identified how that money was going to be spent?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. This is to assist both groups to cover their legal expenses and it is broken up so that each group is provided with $50,000 for the original case and a maximum of $50,000 for the appeal.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Was the money supposed to spent specifically for legal fees or consultant fees or that type of expenses or is it wide open?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. The fee is to cover legal expenses and court costs.
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you, Mr. Dent. Executive offices, Cabinet secretariat, not previously authorized, $200,000. Agreed?
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you. Executive operations and maintenance, financial management board secretariat, directorate, not previously authorized, negative, $79,000. Agreed?
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you. Labour relations and compensation services not previously authorized, $3.820 million. Mr. Henry.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. We understand that a large portion of the employees present and past who were eligible for remuneration have been remunerated and are there any continuing costs associated or is this two separate items? Any associated costs with trying to handle the employees that did not accept the government's offer? Thank you, Madam Chairperson.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. If I have understood the Member, he is asking if the $3 million will cover the tribunal costs which would go towards dealing with the complaint by those employees who have not agreed to settle. That is what the $3 million is for, is to cover our costs for the tribunal, the court costs, travel, material and supplies, et cetera.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. It may be hypothetical, but if the employees that have not presently accepted the government offer, if they were to accept the offer, would this case still proceed or would there be no requirement for it then? Thank you, Madam Chairperson.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. For this case not to proceed, we would have to have 100 percent of all employees agree to the settlement and even in that case, the Human Rights Commission could decide to proceed on its own.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. This equal pay situation, how are the Nunavut employees being handled now? Are they still involved in this or are they totally out of the picture and being handled by the Nunavut Government now?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. The previous employees of the Government of the Northwest Territories are still part of the same action, so it is still the same action. We have an agreement with Nunavut to cover the costs of any settlement, 56 percent for the Northwest Territories and 44 percent for Nunavut. Thank you.
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you, Mr. Dent. Financial Management Board Secretariat, labour relations and compensation services, not previously authorized, $3.820 million. Mr. Erasmus.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Further to Mr. Henry's questions on the amount of people that had accepted the offer that was made by the government to settle the equal pay issue. Will the government be making another offer to employees or have we made another offer to the employees who have not accepted the offer that was made prior to the end of the last fiscal year?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. The Nunavut government has been written asking for confirmation that they are prepared to share in the costs of those settlements on a proportional basis and, if we can get that agreement, then we would be prepared to reopen the offers.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. This $3.8 million, is that all for the equal pay tribunal costs, legal costs, that type of thing, and is that for the whole year, this coming year?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. The $3 million we are talking about is for equal pay, and $820,000 is for the People Self Project cost overruns. Of the $3 million, $2.2 million is directly for the equal pay complaint, $750,000 is for the appeals process for our new job evaluation system.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
So $2.2 million is for the legal costs and the associated costs such as travelling to and from Ottawa?
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
And that is for this coming year that we will need this? Is that the case?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. That is correct. That will cover equipment and supplies, travel and accommodation, contracts, research, staff costs.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
How much of that is estimated for the travelling to and from Ottawa and associated costs like accommodations over there, that type of thing?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. One hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
We have an additional $150,000 that we have to spend because we are doing this in Ottawa, the majority of the hearings in Ottawa. Can we assume there would be an equal amount for each of the years that this is going to be taking?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. I would agree that the large majority, almost all of the travel and accommodation costs are a result of holding the hearing in Ottawa. There will be some other costs that will be somewhat higher for us because of the hearings being in Ottawa, and yes, this amount is what we would expect for each year the process is continued.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Is there any possibility that perhaps this decision may be reversed, that we do not have to have all these hearings in Ottawa? I know that we passed a motion the other day trying to get more money for education, and we can certainly use that $150,000, if not for special needs, then perhaps for the school in N'dilo or some other such worthy cause.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. I would welcome it if the union were to agree to come back to the table and negotiate this with the government. That would be one way to end the complaint. As I said, when I discussed my disappointment with the tribunal's decision to hold the hearings in Ottawa, we are considering whether or not to request a judicial review of that decision. We do, right now, have three cases before the courts relating to this complaint. If we are successful in any one of those three cases, it may significantly change the whole process. Thank you, Madam Chairperson.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. I think one final question. Could the Minister indicate what percentage of the employees involved in the equity pay have not been dealt with through the equal pay offers that were made?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. The people that we were able to locate, in other words if we had their addresses and the offer was sent, 80 percent have accepted the offer to settle. There were 4,340 offer letters sent out. We have had 3,467 that we have received back, and 3,490 that we have received confirmation by fax but not have received the original document yet. We think that 3,490 people will be the final number that have accepted. There are 988 former employees whose addresses we cannot find so they have not been sent offers. I think that responds to the Member's question.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Madam Chairperson, and I thank the Minister. Those are interesting numbers. If I understand it correctly, there is an anticipation when the original documentation comes back, that 80 percent of the former and present employees entitled to pay equity would have their cases settled and be paid up. For 20 percent of the employees, my question is, is this $3 million for a one-year term? Also, if the Minister could respond to comments that were made previously that this could last for two to three years. The Minister did not make that, but I am sure I have heard his predecessor, I am sure I have heard the comments, so if the Minister could respond, how long will this take and is this $3 million for this year plus, potentially, if it goes another year, will it be another $3 million? Thank you, Madam Chairperson.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. First of all, it is $2.2 million specifically for the tribunal. There is $750,000 for appeals on the new job classification system. We would expect that that $750,000 will be adequate to get through all the appeals that we expect. We do not expect that amount will be needed every year. But the $2.2 million, we do expect will be needed every year. The commission itself estimated it would take three years to conclude this. Our estimate is, given how long it has taken other complaints, at least five years and perhaps longer.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Those numbers are staggering in light of some of the motions that have been made in this House to put extra funding to problems that we have in education and health care. At the worst situation, if this did go for five years, we are potentially looking at least $10 million to handle that if it was $2 million a year. Madam Chairperson, more as a comment, I would encourage the Minister to sit down with the union and look at these costs and maybe there is room, when presented with this information, some goodwill on both parts, to maybe bring this to a culmination for the betterment of the residents of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Chairperson.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. I, just two days ago, signed a letter which included a suggestion to the president of the UNW that we do, in fact, get back to the table to discuss this issue. We continue to believe that a negotiated settlement among Northerners would be the best way to solve the problem and would dearly love to embark again on that process. The government continues to advance that position and request that action. Thank you, Madam Chairperson.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Just as a note of encouragement to the Minister, his predecessor and staff were able to achieve an 80 percent settlement. I would suggest that with that same staff and yourself, 20 percent should be quite easy to achieve. Thank you, Madam Chairperson.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. In regards to the People Self Project, it says there are additional costs associated. Is this a cost overrun because you had to extend the project for the $820,000?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Yes, this is a cost overrun. The project has taken longer to conclude than what had been expected. The cost overruns are a result of that extra length of time.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Can the Minister state how long this project has been ongoing and what is the cost to date for this project?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. This project was commenced last spring, and we are now expecting it to conclude at the end of June this year.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. No, I believe the total cost of the project is about $5.5 million.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. The $5.5 million, is that the total cost of the project to date or does that include the $820,000?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. It is about $5.6 million I am advised now and that does include the $820,000, yes.
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you. Financial Management Board Secretariat, Labour Relations and Compensation Services, $3.82 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you. Budgeting and evaluation, not previously authorized, $2.180 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you. Total department, not previously authorized, $6.121 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you. Public Works and Services, operations and maintenance, asset management, not previously authorized, negative, $1.117 million. Agreed? Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. In regards to the user pay user say program, which is presently under process, and programs which used to be done by the Department of Public Works, now done mostly by the departments themselves, is there any time frame to phase out this whole idea of user pay, user say, and have the departments put these costs directly into the Main Estimates?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. We have almost concluded all of the transfers to the departments so we should not see too many more of these sorts of transfers. In most cases, the departments are now fully responsible for controlling all of their expenditures.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Can the Minister state exactly when he sees the completion date of this practice?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. It is difficult to say for certain, but we would hope that it would be done this fiscal year so that Public Works is not responsible for paying the costs of building operation for other departments in the subsequent budget. Thank you.
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you, Mr. Dent. Public Works and Services, operations and maintenance, asset management, not previously authorized, negative, $1.117 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you. Total department, not previously authorized, negative, $1.117 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you. Department of Education, Culture and Employment, operations and maintenance, advanced education and careers, not previously authorized, $129,024. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you. Education and Culture, not previously authorized, $79,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you. Total department, not previously authorized, $208,024. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, operations and maintenance, resource management and economic development, not previously authorized, $1.161 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you. Total department not previously authorized, $1.161 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you. Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, capital, community operations, not previously authorized, $2.963 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you. Department of Public Works and Services capital, asset management, $1.813 million. Mr. Ootes.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Madam
Chairperson, I wonder if we can get an explanation of what the office renovations in Yellowknife are for?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. $685,000 is for the Laing Building upgrade and fit up of offices, $827,000 is for Hodgson Building upgrade and fit up of offices, $125,000 is for the Career Centre relocation to the Joe Tobie Building, and $126,000 is the total for minor office space projects in various buildings throughout Yellowknife.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Laing Building upgrade and fit up of offices, could the Minister tell us what the previous expenditures on this building were in the last two and three years, and what the projected expenditures are in future years? My concern, Mr. Chairman, is that this building was originally intended to be taken off the market and all of a sudden, the government, because of other circumstances regarding the Lahm Ridge Tower, this building is back in the planning stage again and the question becomes, originally, the building was to be taken off because it was deemed unfit for and too costly to bring up to grade. Now, all of a sudden, we find ourselves back in the situation where we are upgrading this building. Could the Minister tell us what kind of expenditures have been and what are anticipated to be made on this building?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do not have that detail with me. It would most likely be better put to the Minister of Public of Works. I expect that the Minister will be bringing forward a paper to look for funding to upgrade the building, but I would be working from only a vague memory if I were to start quoting numbers here today, Mr. Chairman. I must say that to date, no paper has appeared in front of the FMB for consideration that would renovate the Laing Building.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
I guess I am just concerned because again, my understanding was this is going to be a several million dollar project in the long run. We are looking for money for education. Yesterday, we passed a motion for $5 million. My thought would be well, wait a minute here, if this is going to be a couple of million to renovate a building that in the first place we were not going to do, then, here is part of the money, in my opinion. I do not have a problem if we said, well, let us look at this and be serious. The Minister does not have the information that applies here and I am concerned about that. Possibly, should we put this off until we can get some answers on that?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is important to point out that this is capital monies that were approved in last year's budget that were not spent by March 31st, so this is a capital carry- over, this is not ongoing funding that would be available to put into a program. This is capital dollars that were committed. However, I believe that not all of this money will be spent unless there is subsequent approval for a significant amount of renovation work to the Laing Building. As I said, that has not yet been considered and definitely not yet approved by the FMB.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Am I to understand this is a $685,000 is a carry-over from last year, presumably on renovations that were started last year, is that correct?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This was based on the planning and design work that was approved last year and I do not believe that any construction got started, but the design work was done. I am not sure if they actually did anything in the way of construction.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
This is contingent upon additional funding but we do not know how much the additional funding is. If I heard the Minister earlier, he said he does not know. We are trying to approve $685,000 contingent upon future funding, but we do not know what that funding is. Can the Minister tell us if he might be able to scratch that up?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Depending on the plan that comes forward and whether or not the plan is accepted, there may be surplus funds here. How much they are, I would not want to say right now because, at the very minimum, the air handling units need some work in that building even if nothing else is done, we are talking about well into the six figures to deal with just that one issue. I would not count on having $600,000 extra even if no other funding is found, we are probably going to have to spend a good deal of this money, one way or the other, on that building.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you. I certainly would encourage the Minister to consider what I have said earlier. We are looking for money for the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. I think it is important that we passed a motion in that regard for $5 million that we have to come up with and identify, before the next session. I would encourage the Minister to consider this, especially since it is contingent on additional funding. There is an opportunity here to possibly find a substantial amount of money. I will leave my comments at that. Thank you.
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair David Krutko
Health and Social Services, capital, primary and acute care program, not previously authorized, $413,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair David Krutko
Justice, capital, community justice and corrections, not previously authorized, $190,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair David Krutko
Education, Culture and Employment, advanced education and careers, not previously authorized, $870,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair David Krutko
Education, Culture and Employment, not previously authorized, $1.172 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair David Krutko
Transportation, capital, airports, not previously authorized, $527,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair David Krutko
Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, capital, resource management and economic development, not previously authorized, $489,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair David Krutko
Does the committee agree that we have dealt with Bill 21, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1999-2000?
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair David Krutko
Vote 1, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance, $6,373,024. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair David Krutko
Bill 21 is now ready for third reading. Thank you, Mr. Minister and your witnesses. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Ootes.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that we report progress.
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The Chair David Krutko
Thank you. There is a motion on the floor to report progress. The motion is non-debatable. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. I will rise and report progress. Thank you.
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The Speaker
The House will now come back to order. Good evening. We are on item 20, report of committee of the whole. Mr. Krutko.