In the Legislative Assembly on July 29th, 1999. See this topic in context.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Premier. It is in regards to my Member's statement and the lack of progress in the area of the Northern Accord and also the developments that are taking place, yet there is very little progress in the area of the Northern Accord Agreement which was transferred from the federal government to this government to start negotiating the federal transfer devolution of the Northern Accord for oil and gas mineral resources to the Government of the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, we have a lot of development happening. There was an agreement signed just yesterday between the Alberta government and TransCanada Pipelines to start looking at oil and gas reserves in the western Canadian sedimentary basin that goes from Alberta all the way up to the Beaufort Sea. There was mention also that they were looking at the oil and gas in the Beaufort Delta.

Mr. Speaker, my question to the Premier is, it has been over ten years since this agreement was signed off between the federal government and the Government of the Northwest Territories to conclude those negotiations. Can the Premier tell me how much of a priority is it for this government to conclude those negotiations and what resources have been put to concluding these negotiations? What is the department doing to try to ensure that we do work in this area? Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Premier, Mr. Antoine. I heard three questions.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the whole area of our resources in the Northwest Territories is important to all of us as northerners. We consider the resources as ours. However, we do not have control over it. The federal government has control over our natural resources. They get the taxes and the royalties of our natural resources. They get it from the diamonds. They are going to get it from the gas and the oil out of Norman Wells and all the mining interests. This is the dilemma that we have been in for a long time.

This is one of the last areas of devolution that still exists here in the Northwest Territories which this government has been trying to do some work towards. Previous governments have tried it and have failed. We are attempting to get some understanding among all Northerners to set the groundwork for some possible arrangements. This is what we have been working at since getting in as Premier in December. In January, we undertook an extensive travelling schedule throughout the whole North, appearing before different organizations and appearing before different communities and explaining the agenda for a new North which the key component of it is gaining control. It is a sharing control of our own resource, and we have to do it in conjunction with the aboriginal governments.

We have to work together, all the organizations, the Government of the Northwest Territories, the aboriginal governments. We have to work together and build consensus before we move forward. The key to this is that the federal government, through Indian and Northern Affairs, controls this whole initiative right now, and we have to convince them somehow. Over the years, we have been fracturalized. The previous attempts to reach a Northern Accord have failed because they are different regions with their own agendas and a sense of their own control. The last time any federal minister said anything about it was Ron Irwin, who was the Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs. He said if you could get 100 percent consensus amongst all the interested parties, then he would consider working toward some resolution. That is a tall order, Mr. Speaker. Since this government took over, we have been trying to do that. We have been meeting with groups. We are trying to set the atmosphere and the environment to try to move towards this. We are putting everything on the table. We are saying what kind of resources we have and the pressures on them. The only possibilities to gain more resources to provide programs and services in the North are from our own resources, and we have to realize that.

This is where the energy has been put in by this government. The Minister of Finance and the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development have spent a lot of time appearing before citizens in the North trying to explain this initiative. We have not given up on the people of the Northwest Territories. We are trying the best we can in the remaining life of this government. We made a decision yesterday that the election is going to be December 6. We back that up, and we have until the middle of October, about three months, to do some work. The only thing we could do in the life of this government is try to set the stage, get all the information out there. Hopefully, there is some good dialogue and discussion to develop here in the North by all citizens to realize this is the only avenue that we have to achieve more resources for people in the North so that, hopefully, in the future we will make life better for everybody in the North. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it is essential that we do conclude these negotiations, but I do not think it helps anything to make these agreements with national companies such as TransCanada Pipeline and make people aware of what pipelines do and when they cross. You are talking a pipeline up the MacKenzie Valley. It will have a major impact on the aboriginal people and the aboriginal groups that live in those areas. One of the key components to the land claim agreements in regard to the Inuvialuit, the Gwich'in, the Sahtu and all the Dogrib is this component of their land claim agreement to conclude these Northern Accord negotiations. It was done in the Yukon. I do not see why the Yukon government is any different than this government. They dealt with the aboriginal people. They were able to conclude their Northern Accord negotiations. They put the resources forth. They managed to sit down and talk with the aboriginal people, and they did come up with the agreement. I have to ramble on. I do not take six minutes like Mr. Kakfwi, so I am going to take my time here. I would like to make this government aware this has been done in the Yukon. This agreement has been here since 1988, eleven years...

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

You did have the opportunity to make your preamble. Could you ask your supplementary, please?

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was just getting to the supplementary. This government has had four years to work on this item, yet no progress has been made, and this government is signing agreements with other jurisdictions. When is this government going to put the priority on these Northern Accord negotiations and try to conclude with the aboriginal people and not use cost as a factor and sit down and set up a table up to start negotiations as soon as possible?

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Antoine, I heard two questions.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this government has been working on trying to set the atmosphere and get the environment ready to make all the different aboriginal governments aware of the situation we are in. Since January we have been doing that. It is not really up to us to start negotiations. Together, everybody in the north has to deal with the federal government. They have the control. The honourable Member has to understand that this is where the control is. We are working with all the different organizations in trying to achieve this understanding. The indication that we got from the federal government is that we have to get consensus by everybody involved up here before we move forward.

The other part of the question, I believe, is in regards to an MOU that was signed yesterday by the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development with the province of Alberta. Previously this government had an outstanding memorandum of understanding with the province of Alberta. This was signed previously, which was a very good agreement of cooperation and coordination between Alberta and the Northwest Territories. This MOU yesterday was a subagreement of that MOU that focuses on the possible gas and oil scenarios. My understanding of this MOU is that it is an agreement between the province of Alberta and the Northwest Territories that whatever they do, they keep us informed of their actions so that whatever decisions are made in Alberta do not have a negative, detrimental effect on us in the Northwest Territories. I think that it is a good agreement because they could make decisions that will have an effect on us in the future, so we need to be aware of what they are doing.

In regard to the TransCanada Pipeline MOU, this one is that TransCanada Pipeline had petitioned the government of Alberta to change the way they set tariffs for gas flowing through their pipeline system. The previous arrangement was that they had what they call a postage stamp arrangement, where no matter what distance you are from the producer, the price is the same. You could be a foot from the pipeline or you could be a thousand miles from the pipeline. The price is the same. They are applying to change the tariff by saying that the farther you are away from the producers, the more you pay. That will eventually include us here in the Northwest Territories, where the tariffs eventually, down the line, will be a lot higher for us here in the Northwest Territories than in Alberta, and it may have a negative impact in the future. We are setting the stage for the future. Maybe the First Nations up there will be get involved in gas production and oil production so that they do not have to pay the high tariff later on. This is my understanding of what the MOUs were. It is not the opening of our country or allowing pipelines to come through. This is setting the stage so that people in the North will eventually benefit more from our natural resources. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Ootes.