In committee of the whole of bills and other matters, we are dealing with Bill 3, Committee Report 1-13(8) and Bill 4. I would like to ask the wish of the committee. Mr. Dent.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to recommend that we consider Bill 3, followed by Bill 4 and then perhaps the committee report, if we have time.
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The Chair David Krutko
We will start to deal with Bill 3, Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act. I would like to ask the Minister responsible for Bill 3. Mr. Dent, do you have any opening comments?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
On behalf of all Members of the Legislative Assembly, I would like to present Bill 3, the new and much improved Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act. The bill before you will replace the current act, which is sadly out of date as a result of outdated terminology and numerous amendments over the years. In addition to the technical wording updating, there were two reports commissioned by the Legislative Assembly that made recommendations in two major areas. The first was the report of the Conflict of Interest Review Panel on its review of matters relating to the conflict provisions of the act. The second was the report of the MLA Compensation Commission that reported early
in the life of this Assembly. Both of these reports Mr. Chairman, made a number of recommendations that were reviewed by the Management and Services Board.
After lengthy discussions with all Members, the bill before the Committee today provides a streamlined compensation system for Members of the Legislative Assembly. There are four principles that form the basis of a simple and accountable system for compensating MLAs those principles are:
1. Members are entitled to receive fair compensation for the work that they undertake and for their expenses in representing their constituents;
2. Members have a right to certainty -- to know their entitlements and to be clear about how allowances can be used;
3. The public has the right to understand the pay received by MLAs; and
4. MLAs have the right to be able to account for allowances in an atmosphere that is not clouded by issues and debate surrounding a system that Members of the public are unable to understand.
The proposed changes are major strides in providing the transparency that the public wants and will make the system easier to understand. One of the main changes would streamline the current system where MLAs are paid various indemnities for different aspects of the job, such as for committee and constituency work. These indemnities would be rolled into an annual salary. The bill proposes that the annual indemnity for a Member be $71,000. This would mean that all of the 19 Members of the 14th Legislative Assembly would receive this as a guaranteed base salary. The only other salary payments will be to those Members who take on the additional responsibilities as Speaker, Premier, Minister, Deputy Speaker or Chairperson of a standing committee. The additional payments for these positions will be: for the Speaker, $25,000; the Premier $54,000; a Minister $38,000; the Deputy Speaker $5,000; and the Chairperson of a standing committee $3,000. These amounts are clearly set out in the schedule to the bill.
The current act provides for non-accountable living and expense allowances. The bill before us today proposes instead that an accountable allowance be paid on the Members' behalf for accommodation in the capital city. The allowance would not exceed $15,000 a year. Expenses will be paid for travelling on assembly, committee or constituency business. The bill also proposes streamlining Members' allowances to operate his or her constituency. The system is flexible, while still maintaining public accountability for expenditures made by and on behalf of members. A detailed report containing the indemnities, allowances and expenses paid or reimbursed to a Member by the Legislative Assembly will be tabled annually.
Under current legislation, an increase or decrease in Members' indemnities, requires a decision of all Members and amendments to the act. Some concern has been expressed in the past about Members deciding how much of an increase or decrease they will receive. The bill before you today provides that any adjustments to Members' indemnities will match any increase or decrease in public service salaries. Another change in the system will be the deduction of $100.00 for each morning or afternoon a Member fails to attend a sitting or committee meeting without a reasonable explanation. The bill also provides a transitional allowance for Members who do not become Members after a general election.
The name of the Management and Services Board will change to the Legislative Assembly Board of Management and its meetings will be open to the public. The regulations approved by the Board of Management will be published and the Speaker will table the Board of Management's policies to allow for public scrutiny. I think, not only the general public, but the Members will appreciate the fairness, simplicity, transparency, ease of understanding, and accountability of the proposed compensation system for Members of the Legislative Assembly.
Part 2 of the bill provides for the establishment of the Executive Council, the appointment of its members, and the selection of the Premier. It also provides for the appointment of a Deputy Premier and Ministers. In addition, Part 2 clarifies the termination date of the terms of office of the Premier, Deputy Premier, and Ministers.
Other major changes deal with conflict of interest. These changes include implementing the recommendations made by the Conflict of Interest Review Panel in its report last April. Panel members recommended changes in four main areas:
1. A stronger and more accessible Conflict of Interest Commissioner's office;
2. A defined procedure for dealing with conflict of interest investigations;
3. A less expensive and more timely alternative to full public inquiries where warranted; and
4. A regime where NWT residents know what is expected of MLAs and senior appointed GNWT staff and how and where to voice concerns.
I think it is important that we remind ourselves that the conflict of interest provisions were put in place so that the public may be satisfied and have confidence in the actions of elected representatives. The bill provides the definition of the obligation of a Member. It states:
A Member has a conflict of interest when the Member exercises an official power or performs an official duty or function in the execution of his or her office and at the same time knows, or reasonably should know, that the performance of the duty or function or the exercise of the power may further his or her private interests or the private interests of his or her spouse or dependent child.
The process for filing a complaint, its investigation and disposition, has been refined to make it less complicated for the complainant and the Member named in the complaint. The bill provides that a Member, or any person, who believes on reasonable grounds that a Member has contravened any part of the conflict provisions, may file with the Conflict of Interest Commissioner, a written complaint setting out the grounds. In addition, the bill provides that the Conflict of Interest Commissioner may receive an oral complaint from a person where the Commissioner considers it appropriate to do so.
The efficiency and independence of the complaint process is apparent at this point. Once a complaint is filed, an investigation is conducted by the Conflict of Interest Commissioner who can find that the complaint was frivolous, vexatious or not made in good faith and there are no sufficient grounds to proceed.
However, if the Commissioner determines that there was an infraction but that infraction was trivial or inadvertent, or due to an error of judgement made in good faith, the Commissioner can dismiss the complaint. The findings would be reported to the Legislative Assembly.
If the Conflict of Interest Commissioner determines there are sufficient grounds to warrant an inquiry, he or she would direct an inquiry before a sole adjudicator be held. A list of sole adjudicators will be named by the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories on the recommendation of the Legislative Assembly. The sole adjudicator will conduct an inquiry in a manner provided for in the act and must report to the Legislative Assembly. Once the report of a sole adjudicator is tabled, the Legislative Assembly shall consider the report within 15 sitting days.
The other change to the act deals with paying costs related to a complaint. The bill proposes that the reasonable costs of a Member complained against shall be paid according to a policy of the Board of Management. The bill also proposes that no payment be made for a complainant's costs.
The other significant changes being proposed are in the following areas:
- disclosure by the Premier of a conflict in a meeting of the Executive Council;
- establishing a trust arrangement by the Speaker or Minister;
- application by the Speaker or Minister for authorization for a contract;
- all disclosure statements to be filed with the Conflict of Interest Commissioner;
- mandatory requirement for the members to meet with the Conflict of Interest Commissioner; and
- the appointment of a special Conflict of Interest Commissioner, where necessary.
If this bill is approved by the Legislative Assembly, it will come into force on December 7, 1999, the day after the next general election. This means that this Assembly will have provided the 14th Legislative Assembly with a new act that will allow Members to focus on the many significant issues that they will face. The Members, I hope, will see that they have a simple, fair, transparent and accountable compensation system. It allows for increased public confidence when complying with conflict of interest requirements as Members carry out their duties as elected leaders in the Northwest Territories.
Mr. Chairman, I will do my best, on all Members' behalf, to answer any questions. Mahsi.
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Thank you, Mr. Minister. As this bill has been referred directly to committee of the whole there is no committee report. At this time, I would like to ask the Minister, Mr. Dent, if he wishes to bring in any witnesses.
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Does the committee agree? Agreed. Sergeant-at-Arms could you escort the witnesses in. Mr. Minister, can you introduce your witnesses?
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have the real boss of the Legislative Assembly beside me, Mr. David Hamilton, and I also have with me from the legal division or legislation division, legislative counsel, Diane Buckland, and Mr. Mark Aitken, director of legislation.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think this is the culmination of a number of areas that were of concern. One was the commission that was established to look into Members' salaries and benefits. There was concern about the many multitudes of processes that were used to pay our salaries and in addition there were areas where we receive expense allowances. They are really costs that we incur on behalf of our constituents. It was difficult to understand that for many people and we appreciate that and it was pointed out in the report that was issued by the commission that was established. Also, we had the Conflict Review Panel who brought forward a report.
This particular bill incorporates all of those recommendations. I think it was time that we did this. It will straighten it out and I think it is a very positive step, in my mind, for us to have gone through this and taken action on it. It does take effect for the next assembly and hopefully those Members will not encounter the kind of difficulties that we have faced. I don't believe they will if this bill passes. It straightens out a lot of areas and it deals with a multitude of areas, both expenses and incomes for Members of the Legislative Assembly, the Executive Council itself and then the conflict of interest area.
I am encouraged by this bill, Mr. Chairman. Certainly a lot of thought and a lot of work by a number of committees and reports have gone into it. As I said, the Member's compensation committee and then later the Conflict of Interest Review Panel. Those are my comments, Mr. Chairman.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I, too, am in favour generally of this bill as has been indicated by my colleagues, Mr. Dent and Mr. Ootes. The bill will take effect for the next Assembly, the 14th Assembly, and it should make things a lot simpler of those Members. I know that when we took office I was quite surprised with the amount of money that we were making because I too was a member of the public at one time. I read the newspaper reports. I thought people made huge amounts of money and although some people still think that the money we make is a lot of money, I suppose it is, it is nowhere near the amount of money that people think that MLAs make. That is simply because of the reporting procedures by members of the press to continually, for one reason or another, add up all the office expenses, transportation expenses, constituency assistant's expenses, and everything else and roll it into one. It makes it seem as though it is part of your salary.
I know that I was quite surprised when I learned that I think the former Member from the Eastern Arctic was credited to making something like $170,000. I think half of that was for his transportation to and from his constituency. Not half, but a great amount.
Hopefully, this will make things simpler and a lot easier to understand for the general public. I know it will certainly make it a lot easier for the MLAs who will now receive the same amount of money every two weeks, the same as all our employees receive a cheque every two weeks and that is what they make. In that way, it will make thinks a lot easier for the next group of MLAs.
One thing I may not necessarily agree with, it does not sit well with me, is the fact that some MLAs sit on more committees than others and may work a lot more than other MLAs but they will not necessarily be paid for that extra work. Sometimes there is a fair amount of work that has to be done on bills and those types of things, particularly the Social Programs Committee. They had to deal with 62 percent of the budget, or whatever, and there were an awful lot of meetings involved. Although it is the case that those people who sit on more committees than others will not be remunerated for those extra meetings, I am in favour of this new system because it makes is simpler for everybody, particularly, for the reporting.
Also, Mr. Chairman, the Conflict of Interest Review Panel came back with several recommendations. I particularly like the fact that once the Conflict Commissioner determines that there are enough grounds to warrant an inquiry, then he or she directs an inquiry be started. The Commissioner of the Northwest Territories then appoints a sole adjudicator, which is a totally separate person from the Conflict Commissioner, so there is no apprehension of bias. There are two different parties that will be doing the process now and I like that. I think that a lot of other people will like that process as well.
As well, we have indicated in the conflict provision whose legal counsel will be paid for and that type of thing. That clarifies that area. In the past, I do not think it was as clear so a lot of people argued about this and that. This now clearly spells it out. I think it is a lot better. It doesn't matter which way it goes, as long as it is clearly spelled out. I think it helps clarify the issue.
The way that the system will work in the future, I do not think that you will really need legal counsel anyway. The new system will help make things simpler and easier to understand.
Mr. Chairman, again I just want to reiterate that I am in favour of this bill. I realize that perhaps people thought it should have happened sooner, but there has been a lot of things on our plate. I think that putting new things in place for yourself are very difficult things to do. I think that the best thing we could do for the next Legislative Assembly is to pass this now so that they do not have to worry about it being the first thing that they have to do when they get here. Thank you.
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Jane Groenewegen Hay River
Thank you Mr. Chairman. I think that this Bill is long overdue with respect to MLA's compensation. There was a commission at the outset of our term of office and there were some recommendations made at that time. Now I am pleased to see that some of those recommendations are being acted on and we are making a more streamlined system in place for those coming back to the 14th Assembly. It was not only difficult for the public to understand the former compensation system, I think it was difficult for the MLA's to really understand it, as well, because it was rather convoluted. I think this is better.
I agree with Mr. Erasmus, to some extent, that some people may have a heavier workload and they will not be remunerated for it. Hopefully, we will get people in here who are willing to work and work hard and, not only look after just the interest of their constituents, but also serve on the committees and look at the broader issues of the budget in the NWT as a whole. I think that the remuneration that is being proposed is fair. I think that it is difficult for people to really get a good understand of what is involved in doing this job until you are here and have done it.
I think the media has done us somewhat of a disservice in their reporting in the past about compensation for MLAs and this has already been alluded to by previous speakers here today. To suggest that travel to and from one's constituency, for example, is somehow a benefit that should be rolled into the total package of your pay, is not a fair comment. It certainly does create an exaggerated perception in the public which is not necessary to do. I think that what is proposed now is fair. Having done this job for the last four years, it is something that I can support having seen it from the inside.
With respect to the changes to the conflict of interest legislation, I think that I can safely say that no one is happier than I am that some of these rather vague areas in the legislation have been more clearly defined. I think we found out the hard way, and we found out through a fairly thorough test of legislation, that there were areas that needed to be more clearly defined. I believe that this change does do that.
I cannot say that I agree with all of the changes, again speaking from first hand experience. I will just quickly list some of the things that I do not agree with. I do not agree that any MLA should have access to unlimited resources of this government in their defence. I think that how much they are expected to pay, how much expect to receive, should have a cap on it. I think the act says reasonable costs. I do not know what reasonable is. It will be determined by, I guess, the Management Services Board at the time. I do not think that unlimited access to government funds, particularly in the case where the person is found guilty, is an acceptable expenditure of government funds, tax payer's money. I object to that strongly and I want to be recorded as such.
As for the complainant not receiving any support for legal costs when a complaint is lodged, now that the system after the complaint is lodged is somewhat more defined, and hoping that we will never have another complaint of the magnitude that we have seen this government spend money on recently, I think that should be alright for it to go to the Conflict of Interest Commissioner and then to an adjudicator if an inquiry is required.
If the system works, there should not have to be that much involvement from the complainant after the complaint is laid. That is how it should work and, like I said, I hope we are never faced with a situation like we have been through where there is a complaint that encompasses a magnitude of the issues that the last one did. I think that was flawed. I do not think that an enquiry can always be an non-adversarial process. I do not think that it is necessarily even an effective process of an enquiry when there is no opposing counsel present.
I think Anne Crawford stated in her report that she had never heard so many lies and half truths as were presented in that last inquiry. I am telling you that opposing counsel would have sewn up that problem because people would not have been allowed to get away with it as they did this last time. I am pleased with the progress that this bill makes towards making it a better system and will be supporting the bill. Thank you.
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Thank you Mrs. Groenewegen. General comments? Detail? Agreed? Clause by clause. We are dealing with Bill 3, Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, page 1, clause 1. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair David Krutko
Bill 3 is now ready for third reading. Thank you, Mr. Minister. Thank you witnesses. We are now
dealing with Bill 4, Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Amendment Act. I would like to ask the Minister responsible for this bill if he has any opening comments. Mr. Kakfwi.
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Madam Chairperson, the bill is necessary if we are to ensure that unique regimes and procedures respecting access to information and protection of privacy established in another legislation which were, in effect, prior to that coming into effect of the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, remain operative after December 31, 1999.
The Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, came into effect in 1996 and provided that, in the event of a conflict between the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, and another act, the conflict would be resolved in favour of the other legislation for the period ending on December 31, 1998. After December 31, 1998, the conflict would be resolved in favour of the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, unless the legislation in question specifically provided otherwise.
They revealed all legislation was undertaken by all public bodies to identify any provision that dealt with access or privacy of information and then to determine if the provision:
- could be continued given the Privacy of the Access Act,
- should be repealed, or
- whether it required an amendment with a notwithstanding clause so it could remain operative after December 31, 1999.
Following the review, a bill was introduced during the 6th Session. But on December 2, 1998, the Information and Privacy Commissioner sent a letter to the Standing Committee on Government Operations outlining concerns. Consequently, the bill was not passed, but the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, was amended to extend the deadline from December 31, 1998 to December 31, 1999.
This additional time gave departments a time to continue their review of all their legislation in light of the comments of the Information and Privacy Commissioner.
The additional review was completed and consequently revisions were made to those provisions in the original bill, which would have amended the Education Act and the Motor Vehicles Act. A subsection was added to the Education Act to allow a school counsellor to grant access to his or her notes to the student or parents of the student if the counsellor is of the opinion it is in the best interest of the student. A subsection was added to the Motor Vehicle Act, to clarify that only vehicle registration information, not a person's driving record, could be provided to the entities identified in the bill.
A revised bill was prepared and introduced in July of this year, but the bill died on the order paper. Further amendments have been made to the July version of the bill with respect to the Consumer Protection Act, and the Tobacco Tax Act, in response to concerns expressed by the Information and Privacy Commissioner and the Standing Committee.
Throughout this extensive review by departments, the Department of Justice worked with departments to ensure that the scope of the Access Act, was not unnecessarily limited and only the most limited number of provisions possible were given primacy over the Access Act. In fact, this bill amends only ten of the hundreds of GNWT statutes.
In some instances, it was determined that other legislation established a more compact and straightforward access or privacy regime than provided for in the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act.
In most cases, where the restriction on access is greater than the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, the provisions deal with personal information. In other words, the tension between access to information and the protection of privacy is restored in favour of privacy. The advantage of giving primacy to the other legislation will be greater clarity and more precision.
This bill also provides for minor amendments to the Archives Act, and the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act. Thank you.
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you, Minister Kakfwi. I will now call on Mr. Erasmus, the chairman of the standing committee, which reviewed the bill, to give his remarks.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Madam Chairperson, the Standing Committee on Government Operations reviewed Bill 4, Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Statutes Amendment Act, had its meetings on September 7, 8, and 9, 1999. The committee would like to thank the Minister of Justice and his officials for presenting the bill and responding to the committee's questions. As well, the standing committee had previously reviewed versions of this bill that were introduced in the House in December, 1998 and July, 1999. When the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, came into effect in 1996, it provided for a two-year grace period so that if another act had a conflict or inconsistency with it, the other act would prevail until December 31, 1998. In December, 1998 the Minister introduced a bill to amend ten acts that have provisions that conflict or inconsistent with the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act. The proposed amendments allowed the access and provisions of the other acts to apply in addition to or notwithstanding the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act. The bill also proposed to amend the Archives Act and the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, itself.
The standing committee held a public hearing and consulted with the Information and Privacy Commissioner appointed under the act, Ms. Elaine Keenan-Bengts. Due to the concerns raised by the Commissioner and the standing committee, particularly in relation to the privacy protection for personal information collected by public bodies, the original bill was not passed. Instead, a separate bill was passed to extend the grace period until December 1999.
The committee requested the Minister to examine the concerns to determine whether the bill might be improved in some areas. In July, 1999, a revised bill was introduced. This bill incorporated amendments responding to the committee's and the Commissioner's concerns about the Education Act, and the Motor Vehicles Act. A provision was added to the Education Act, to allow a school counsellor to give access to his or her notes to the student or the student's parents if the counsellor feels that it is in the best interest of the child.
The Motor Vehicles Act, amendments were changed to make it clear that access by various private bodies to records under the act would apply only to name and vehicle registration information, not to driving records.
The standing committee and the Information and Privacy Commissioner reviewed the revised bill and provided additional comments to the Minister. As a result, Bill 4 contains further revisions from the July bill. Changes were made to the amendments, to the Consumer Protection Act, and the Tobacco Tax Act, to clarify questions relating to the disclosure of information.
The standing committee appreciates the assistance of the Information and Privacy Commissioner and the efforts of the Minister and the Department of Justice officials to improve this bill. The Minister has also made a commitment to the committee to address concerns relating to how information is collected by public bodies. The Minister advised that a process is under way to bring forms into compliance with the privacy protection provisions of the act so that individuals will better know what personal information is collected about them, how it is used and how to access personal information.
The committee also has an outstanding area of concern. Some of the acts amended by this bill, particularly the Insurance Act, and the Motor Vehicles Act, allow personal information to be released by public bodies to private individuals or organizations. If the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, applies only to public bodies, the Commissioner and the committee were concerned that there are no legislative restrictions on the further release of personal information by private bodies and no penalties for such release. This is an important privacy concern.
In the case of the Motor Vehicles Act, department officials suggested that an obligation of confidentiality might be implied under the act. In the committee's view, this is not clear enough. The Minister also undertook to research whether the prohibition in section 59 of the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, against disclosing personal information might apply to private organizations or individuals. Members looked forward to receiving the results of this research.
If it is not clear that private individuals are included in section 59 prohibition, it is the committee's strong recommendation that the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, should be amended to create an offence and impose a penalty on private individuals or organizations who release personal information received in confidence from a public body.
Madam Chairperson, this concludes the standing committee's comments on Bill 4, Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Statutes Amendment Act. Thank you.
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. I would like to ask the Minister if he would like to bring witnesses.
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you. Sergeant-at-Arms, could you please escort in the witnesses. Mr. Kakfwi. For the record, could you please introduce your witnesses?
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. On my right is assistant deputy minister of Justice, Mr. Gerry Sutton. On my left, from legislative counsel, Ms. Denise Gagnon.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. I feel quite strongly that when we start infringing on people's rights or restricting them access to information that may affect them and also information about themselves, where someone else may be able to use it again them, or use it for capital gains through surveys, has to be taken seriously. I believe that now a days, in the computer age, where information is accessed through computers and also forms of information, Internet, that people's rights and people's privileges to privacy are slowly being stomped away by infringement on the right to be able to have information about yourself kept secret. Also, being able to access information without having it regulated to a point where you have to go to court to get it.
I feel that there are some problems that I mentioned in the committee on how I feel about certain things, especially when it comes to a parent and their child's education, the information that is taken on their children when they are attending school by counsellors, that they should, as a parent, know what is happening with their child at all times. Regardless if it is through the justice system or the education system. I believe that when it comes to governments and legislatures, sometimes we overlook the human side of issues and look at more in regards to policies and implementing acts and regulations, for the government to take on more power, but limiting the powers of the people. I feel that we have to always keep in mind who we are here to serve. Are we serve the government, the bureaucracy, industry, or businesses that take advantage of using information to benefit their profit margins or the shareholders they represent?
When it comes to accessing personal information, I believe the people do have the right to know what is happening to information that relates to themselves and not find out about it, say in a newspaper, or come by chance you looked in a phone book and next thing you find out that your address, your phone number, your date of birth and all the information that is relevant to you, shows up in an article because someone happened to legally, or illegally, access information on yourself. Once that information is stored either in a computer or put into a filing system, that information can be revealed or accessed by one agency which can turn around and sell it to another agency for a profit.
Without having penalties spelled out in this legislation, all they get is a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again. It is too late for the person that the information may have had a drastic effect on their lifestyle, the people they know and their other family members because this information has been leaked. I believe this legislation should have gone farther in ensuring the penalties are clearly spelled out. Those penalties were harsh enough that no information will ever be revealed legally or illegally, or used improperly on any individual person in the Northwest Territories.
I feel we should have taken more time to deal with this bill and allow for groups of the Conflict of Interest Commissioner and also interest groups would deal with the question of Charter of Rights and also the right to information through the new technologies that we have like computers, e-mail and also ensuring that we have a security system in place that any information taken will be private and no one will be able to access it. Allowing loop holes in legislation where people can take advantage of it, I believe has to be taken seriously and if we have to put teeth on any legislation that we put forth. With that, Madam Chairperson, thank you.
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Any further general comments on the bill? If there are no further general comments, we will proceed with clause by clause. It is Bill 4 in your green binders. Mr. Krutko.
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Eight, including Mr. Kakfwi is a quorum. Clause by clause. Bill 4, Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Statutes Amendment Act. Clause 1. Agreed?
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Regarding clause 4, the disease registry, can the Minister explain if there is any penalties which will be either spelled out through other legislation and exactly what are those penalties for disclosing this type of information?
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
We had agreed, through the standing committee this morning, that we would do a review of the penalties involved for not living up to the legislation. We had agreed to do that review this morning and we will be providing that information to Members when we have completed our work. Thank you.
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you. Does the committee agree that Bill 4 is now ready for third reading? Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Thank you. Bill 4 is now ready for third reading. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Ootes.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. That we consider the special report on western identity and I believe that is the last matter on the agenda.
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The Chair Jane Groenewegen
Committee Report 1-13(8). Is the committee agreed to deal with Committee Report 1-13(8) now?
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Some Hon. Members
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Madam Chairperson, I had earlier in the proceedings read the overview of the Special Committee on Western Identity and I have some motions that I would propose now for the committee's considerations. Thank you, colleagues.