This is page numbers 751 - 779 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was development.

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Question 228-14(3): Water Treatment System Maintenance
Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister responsible for Public Works and it is in regard to the service contract that is presently in place between the Hamlet of Fort McPherson and Public Works. In regard to some of the items I mentioned yesterday, one of the big problem areas seems to be freeze-ups in regard to the maintenance of the water system, where last year there were three freeze-ups.

One freeze-up in particular was because of the lack of ensuring the equipment is in operational condition, where one pump at the water treatment plant was down and apparently the other pump went down. Since they did not have the equipment to maintain them, the line froze.

I am just wondering, from the Minister, because it is the responsibility of the contractor to ensure that they will maintain and also provide safe drinking water to the community, that this question has caused some concerns to the community. It did put the community into a pretty vulnerable position, where the community had no water for a period of time and then everything froze up. I would like to ask the Minister how seriously does the department take its responsibilities for ensuring that the equipment is in good working order? Thank you.

Question 228-14(3): Water Treatment System Maintenance
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Public Works and Services, Mr. Steen.

Return To Question 228-14(3): Water Treatment System Maintenance
Question 228-14(3): Water Treatment System Maintenance
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe that the Member requested some specific information from me as a Minister in regard to this particular agreement between the department and the community, and I do not have that information off hand, so I am going to have to take the Member's question as notice and get back to him with the exact information.

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Question 228-14(3): Water Treatment System Maintenance
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you Mr. Minister. The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South, Mr. Bell.

Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To NWT Residents And Businesses
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will try this question again, and I will try not to be as specific. The question is for the Minister responsible for RWED. When this government loans money to people or companies from one of its lending agencies, we do not require publication of the amount, type of project, or expected repayment terms. This is common in other jurisdictions with public money. Can the Minister tell us why we would not want to publish this information?

Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To NWT Residents And Businesses
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Bell. The honourable Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Handley.

Return To Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To Nwt Residents And Businesses
Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To NWT Residents And Businesses
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, if the Member is referring to all the loans that we make to individuals and to businesses, is he suggesting that we print a list of how much people borrowed and under what conditions and so on? I think that could be very detrimental to the company in terms of their ability to carry on their business, where everybody knows all of their circumstances. We have as a practice not printed lists of everybody who has a loan with us. It is information that is considered to be confidential. As long as they are making their repayments, it remains between the entity that made the loan and the borrower. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To NWT Residents And Businesses
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Minister Handley. Supplementary, Mr. Bell.

Supplementary To Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To Nwt Residents And Businesses
Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To NWT Residents And Businesses
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not talking about the release of confidential information that could jeopardize the competitive advantage of a business, Mr. Speaker. The federal Department of Western Economic Diversification used to make such a press release at any time money was loaned. After all, this is public funds, Mr. Speaker. I do not understand. Could the Minister restate why he figures any information of any sort would jeopardize the competitive advantage of a business?

Supplementary To Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To Nwt Residents And Businesses
Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To NWT Residents And Businesses
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Bell. The honourable Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Handley.

Further Return To Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To Nwt Residents And Businesses
Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To NWT Residents And Businesses
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I am not familiar with the list that the Member refers to from Western Economic Diversification, but certainly in terms of any amounts of money that we are making as grants or amounts of money that we are putting into a particular initiative, we make those available. If it comes to specific information to a specific company, then we do not make that available. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To Nwt Residents And Businesses
Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To NWT Residents And Businesses
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Handley. Supplementary, Mr. Bell.

Supplementary To Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To Nwt Residents And Businesses
Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To NWT Residents And Businesses
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, I know they do not make it available but I am wondering why they would not. Clearly they could ask for written consent from a client before releasing this information. We do not have to spring this on anybody, but if I go to a chartered bank I think am expecting a different standard than if I go to the government for public money. Would the Minister not agree?

Supplementary To Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To Nwt Residents And Businesses
Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To NWT Residents And Businesses
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Bell. The honourable Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Handley.

Further Return To Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To Nwt Residents And Businesses
Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To NWT Residents And Businesses
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, as a government, we do not make loans. We give grants and contributions. We lend money through the Business Credit Corporation. The Business Credit Corporation is a lender of last resort. The businesses have to go to the banks first and show us that they are not able to get the money through a conventional lending agency. So they come to the Business Credit Corporation very much as they would to a bank, except this is a last resort. We operate the Business Credit Corporation very much on the kind of guidelines that a bank would make. This is money that is loaned to companies. It is not money that we do not except them to pay back, but it is money we expect they will pay back with interest and we operate very much like a bank.

In terms of changing it and suddenly making or giving notice to borrowers that their name is going to be published and the amount they have borrowed will be published even though they make regular payments, I could take that under advisement and refer back to the department. As a practice, we have not done that up to now. We consider it to be a confidential matter between the business and the Business Credit Corporation and there is not, in our view, anything to be gained by making lists like that public unless, of course, there are some other extenuating circumstances. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To Nwt Residents And Businesses
Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To NWT Residents And Businesses
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. Bell. Before that, I am a bit uncomfortable with the line of questioning that is going because I did caution the honourable Member about referring to a matter that was before the committee of the whole. It does relate very closely to a recommendation that is in this report that is before the committee. So I will allow the final supplementary, Mr. Bell, but be cautious of how you ask it.

Supplementary To Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To Nwt Residents And Businesses
Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To NWT Residents And Businesses
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hear what the Minister is saying, but I see the big difference between the BCC and a chartered bank is that these are public funds. If we are looking to what end and for what reason would we publish this information, Mr. Speaker, it is clear to me for transparency and accountability. So I am still at a loss as to why we would not. Cursory information, amount, type of project, expected repayment term. Nothing that is going to compromise a business. Mr. Speaker, when he suggested that he would take it under advisement, I would appreciate it if he would and if he could just restate that he in fact intends to do that.

Supplementary To Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To Nwt Residents And Businesses
Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To NWT Residents And Businesses
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Bell. The honourable Minister, Mr. Handley.

Further Return To Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To Nwt Residents And Businesses
Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To NWT Residents And Businesses
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I say, the Business Credit Corporation Act is pretty specific that we do not release this kind of confidential information. At the same time, there is a clause in the Act that does say unless the business enterprise consents. Looking at that clause, I am willing to take this under advisement and have a look at it. If businesses consent to it, then I would like to talk to the department of it and see the merits of it. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To Nwt Residents And Businesses
Question 229-14(3): Publishing Loans To NWT Residents And Businesses
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Minister Handley. The time allocated for question period has expired. Item 7, written questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta, Mr. Krutko.

Written Question 14-14(3): Funding To Offset Fort Mcpherson Water System Costs
Item 7: Written Questions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A written question to the Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs. What funds have been offered to the Hamlet of Fort McPherson to help offset the high cost of the water system? Thank you.

Written Question 14-14(3): Funding To Offset Fort Mcpherson Water System Costs
Item 7: Written Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 13, tabling of documents. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Ootes.

Tabled Document 63-14(3): A Human Resource Development Proposal Related To Non-renewable Resources In The Nwt
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table the following document entitled A Human Resources Development Proposal Related to Non-Renewable Resources in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

Tabled Document 63-14(3): A Human Resource Development Proposal Related To Non-renewable Resources In The Nwt
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 13, tabling of documents. The honourable Member for Range Lake, Ms. Lee.

Tabled Document 64-14(3): Letter To Sandy Lee, Mla, From NWT Hotel Association Re: Hotel Tax Proposal
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table three documents this afternoon all regarding hotel tax. Mr. Speaker, the first document I would like to table is a letter from the Northwest Territories Hotel Association that I received on August 7, 2000, which outlines some of the hardships that will be experienced by the hotel operators all over the North, especially in Hay River and Fort Smith.