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Funding For Capital Projects
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There is an ice road portion between Norman Wells and Tulita to Deline in the wintertime. I guess I just heard that part of it when I was being informed about it. The intention here is to try and put a contract out there and see how it is going to get built. The only reason for having it in this interim appropriation was to ensure we have enough lead time.

There are different ways of getting the equipment into the community. The later you wait, the only way of getting it in would be the ice road. What I am told now is that if it gets built before the end of the shipping season, they would try to utilize the barge to save the wear and tear of a fire truck going on the winter road. They would store it in Tulita and Norman Wells and get use of the ice road to Deline once the winter arrives. That is the reason I am hearing now. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Can the Minister tell me if this is a new project?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask the deputy minister, Mr. Dave Murray, to respond to that. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Murray.

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Murray

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This project was deemed to be higher priority then two trucks, I believe which were in Fort Good Hope. But because it is important for fire protection in the community and since they have had problems with the fire truck in Deline, it was deemed this was a higher priority project than the replacement water truck in Fort Good Hope, as well as the sewage truck.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Murray. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am just wondering if it was listed in the five-year capital plan. In my riding, we are looking at a fire truck for Fort McPherson, but it is not designated until the year 2003-2004. Since we usually use the five-year capital planning process as the method of planning for these projects, that this was part of the planning process. I understand where the Minister is coming from with priorities.

Was it listed as one of the five-year capital items for Deline?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will ask the deputy minister to respond to that.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Murray.

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Murray

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I believe this project was advanced because of the state of repair it was in. It was deemed to be a higher priority to move it rather than leaving it in a future year.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Murray. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If that is the case, then I believe the fire truck in Fort McPherson probably falls within the same criteria you are talking about. We are talking about a 1960s vehicle here. I would like to be able to do the same thing in my constituency by moving it up. I see it designated for the year 2003-2004, so I would like to know if it can be put in the main estimates for next year.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, whenever we have been asked to advance different projects or different assets for future years, I see it as work that we have to do in the future. I would certainly take that under consideration. I specifically do not know the conditions of the fire truck in Fort McPherson, so we will take that as notice and deal with it. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is with great distress to find out at this stage of the interim appropriation that taxed-based municipalities are taking a reduction in the block funding transfer. The department did not identify it during the interim appropriation. The way the numbers are presented in the documents provided by the department, they start off with a 2000-2001 preliminary planning target in block funding of $3,068,000. The interim portion was $1,020,000, of which there was a lot of discussion around this House that it has been a stand-pat business plan.

We hear now that in the area of block funding to tax-based municipalities, there will be a reduction of some five to seven percent. There is discussion, and the Minister did say, they could look at it as going across the board.

One thing I would like to point out is that some of the block funding agreements vary significantly between community to community. For example, I was aware that in the previous year in Inuvik, I think the block funding agreement was $138,000. I would like further clarification from the Minister or his staff as to what each of the five tax-based municipalities received in block funding agreements. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

The Minster responsible for the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the tax-based municipalities get an annual operations and maintenance budget, as well as a capital budget. We are going through a municipal financial review.

The block funding arrangements are three-year arrangements that took into consideration the operations and maintenance and the capital that was going to be identified for the three years of the block funding arrangement.

In some cases, if a capital project was not slated in those three years to one of these communities but is going to show up later on, it was included in the three-year block funding arrangement. Maybe the capital project slated for the three years is finished and they may not have anything for the next year or so.

Perhaps a community may not have any capital projects slated for the three-year capital, block-funding arrangement, but it may have slated for the next couple of years. That is not factored in. We have had an experiment with the block-funding arrangement. As a result of the anomalies that exist out there between the communities, this department is reviewing the block-funding arrangement.

Like I said, we hope to have it concluded by the end of March. We may have come out with some formula to try to determine how to fund the communities. But in the meantime, for this year we are going to carry over the arrangement we had for the last three years per year, subject to cuts.

We did write to the municipalities saying we are going to do it. We are going to roll over this year what we had last year. However, it is going to be subject to any cuts that may happen in the capital.

Yes, the Finance Minister said there was a $10 million cut that is spread out, including the capital portion of the tax-based municipalities. This is the reason for the cut in the tax-based municipality block-funding.

As to what each received, we have some information here on that. I am going to ask the director or corporate services, Gay Kennedy, to get into the details of what each municipality received last year. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Ms. Kennedy.

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Kennedy

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yellowknife is funded $5,234,000, 1999-2000. Inuvik is $746,000. Fort Smith is $1,143,000. Hay River is $715,000. Fort Simpson is $2,395,000.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Ms. Kennedy. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a little further on this. Those numbers were for previous years, I believe. The Minister said a bit about carrying over. Some of the funding that was an expenditure is being carried over. On top of that, I believe the Minister said the block-funding in the capital side would be reduced.

I thought I heard earlier in response to another Member's question was that operations and maintenance and capital are being looked at being reduced five to seven percent. Can we have clarification on that please?