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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Minister Antoine. Would the committee responsible for the bill like to make any comments? Deputy Chair, Mr. McLeod.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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McLeod

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Standing Committee on Social Programs met with the Minister and his officials on March 17, 2000 and offers the following comments on the interim appropriation for the Department of Justice.

Per Diem Rates For Wilderness Camps
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McLeod

The members of the committee are concerned that the per diem rates offered to operators of wilderness camps for adult and young offenders have not kept pace with inflation and the program requirements implemented by the department since the introduction of this valuable rehabilitation program.

Committee members realize that the scope of the program has moved beyond what the department initially envisioned. Nonetheless, the committee believes that the department has a responsibility to ensure the adequacy of fiscal resources provided to operators on a regular basis.

Committee members think that the department must do a better job in communicating the application process involved in replacing capital assets to the wilderness camp operators. According to what individual committee members have been told, some camp operators are eligible for capital funding, whereas other operators are not eligible for any funding. If this is the case, committee members are concerned about equity of access to capital funding for camp operators. Committee members believe that a lack of policy or standards for the accessing of capital funding may be causing animosity between camp operators and regions. This apparent shortfall needs to be addressed by the department.

The members of the committee were uncomfortable in being asked to approve $75,000 in the interim appropriation for the replacement of boats and motors without information on which camp or open custody facility would receive the funding. As with the Department of Health and Social Services, members believe that they were being asked to approve a "slush fund" that would not be subject to committee oversight.

Members are concerned that the apparent choice being offered to inmates as to which camp they wish to go to may be affecting the viability of some operators. A camp that offers hot and cold running water would certainly be more appealing than a camp that has no running water. Members believe that it may be desirable to develop a policy to determine which wilderness camps an offender can attend. The committee would like to discuss this issue further during the business plan review.

The committee looks forward to the main estimates and the opportunity to review the department's plan to address per diem rates for wilderness camp operators.

Legal Services Board
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McLeod

The committee is concerned about the state of the Legal Services Board and the demise of the Mackenzie Valley Court Workers as a distinct entity. Members look forward to further information on the activities of the Legal Services Board, its plans for a regionally representative board once Nunavut establishes their own board, the future of the Beaufort Delta Legal Clinic and the vision that the board has for the next millenium.

Committee members have had concerns expressed to them by former board members of the Mackenzie Valley Courtworkers that they did not understand the reasons their board was dissolved.

The committee appreciated the commitment on the part of the Minister to convey these reasons in writing to the former board members of the Mackenzie Valley Courtworkers. The committee would appreciate being copied any correspondence.

Federal Inmates In Northwest Territories Correctional Facilities
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McLeod

The members of the committee can see that the initial projections on the usage of Northwest Territories correctional facilities by the Government of Nunavut were overly optimistic. Although this may change in the future, the committee agrees with the department's decision not to count on Nunavut in developing capital projections on the replacement of the Yellowknife Correctional Centre.

However, to replace the previously anticipated service payments from Nunavut, the committee would like to encourage the department in pursuing the placement of northern federal inmates in our system once we have capability. Besides the obvious financial benefit to the Government of the Northwest Territories in payments from the federal government, there are rehabilitative benefits that can be realized for these repatriated northern federal prisoners.

Committee members are of the opinion that federal inmates could also benefit from the department's innovative Wilderness Camp Program. Committee members believe that this provides inmates with an excellent opportunity to reintegrate into their community and traditional lifestyle and may lessen the shock of going from an institution to a community. Another positive feature of repatriating federal prisoners north is that families will have an increased opportunity to visit and support their incarcerated loved ones.

The committee looks forward to being apprised of the results of the official's meeting scheduled at the end of this month on the subject.

Community Constable Program
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McLeod

Some members of the committee have heard good things from their constituents on the success of the Community Constable Program but there are concerns that some communities cannot reasonably access the program. If a community does not receive adequate funding from MACA to fund a by-law officer position, this program is essentially useless to that community.

In addition to providing valuable assistance to RCMP officers in some of our smaller communities, this program serves as an important training step for aboriginal people seeking a possible career in law enforcement as RCMP officers. Members are concerned that the Department of Justice's goal of developing a representative police force is negatively impacted by funding deficiencies from MACA to the communities.

The committee strongly encourages the department to continue, and if possible, expand the program. With the federal funding for this program expiring at the end of the 2000-2001 fiscal year, it is imperative that the department works with the solicitor general to maintain and augment the program.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. I would like to ask the Minister if he would like to bring in any witnesses. Does the committee agree the Minister can bring in witnesses?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Sergeant-At-Arms, would you please escort the witnesses in?

Mr. Minister, could you introduce your witnesses to the committee?

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have with me on my left the deputy minister, Don Cooper, and on my right the assistant director of financial and management services, Kim Schofield. To my far left, Gerry Sutton, the assistant deputy minister.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Any general comments? Does the committee wish to go into detail? The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a brief comment, to seek clarification within the Department of Justice and its interim appropriation. In reviewing the material, I see that they have, for the Inuvik young offenders' facility, an amount in the interim appropriation. I also see a note beside it, "four-year funding requirements for this project". Is that amount for planning dollars or the beginning of construction? This is from the Department of Justice information that was sent to committees.

Could I get some information regarding the young offender's facility? I am aware there is a time period attached to that facility because of the code requirements, and so on. I believe the information from the previous Assembly was that by the summer of 2001, it had to be up and running. Is that the current situation?

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The figure that the honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake is making reference to in the interim appropriation is for planning and design of the facility. Our target date of opening the facility in Inuvik is February, 2002. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In fact, the date of July, 2001 is being moved now. Is that in agreement with the fire marshal, who I believe first gave order on the existing facility because it no longer met the code requirements. That is the understanding that I have from the previous work in the Social Programs Committee of the 13th Assembly. Is the actual date for the facility to be up and running, as the Minister said, February 2002?

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We are aware of the fire marshal's order, and we will have to make a request to see whether we can extend the use of the Dene K'Onia Facility in Hay River until we complete this facility. If not, then we will have to send the young offenders south. That is a possibility. We are hoping and are optimistic. We are working as fast as we can with the building season up there.

Just to add on to the earlier answer, I am told some of the funding allocated in the interim appropriation is also for beginning of slinging piles and so forth into the ground. We are actually doing the design and planning, and hopefully some preliminary construction of the site. The target date is, as I indicated, February of 2002 as of the last analysis of the plan. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. General comments. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South, Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have one concern. It is essentially the same concern I had yesterday with the Department of Health and Social Services, and that is what I perceive to be undedicated capital in the interim. It is mentioned in our report, but when we reviewed this in committee, we were being asked to approve $75,000 for boats and motors that were required urgently in the interim in the next four months.

At that point, the department was not able to tell us where those boats and motors were required. We were told that it was urgent, but they did not know where the need was. I am wondering if the Minister can give us a list of the projects this money is intended for. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The $75,000 identified in the interim appropriations report was for bush camp capital contributions. We do have a directive that is an internal policy on open custody wilderness camp equipment, a capital contribution all the bush camps are entitled to. I have checked since the committee meeting. This particular $75,000 is for replacement of different equipment such as snowmobiles, boats, outboard motors and other related equipment necessary for the delivery of the program.

As you know, April 1st is the beginning of our fiscal year, and the camp operators are aware that this is when new money kicks in. We are anticipating that there are going to be some requests for replacement of equipment. I am told the department is estimating it will spend approximately $98,000 in capital contributions in 1999-2000 fiscal year to nine contractors. In this fiscal year, the department has signed contracts for 12 open custody wilderness camps. There are two new contracts that either have been signed or will be signed in the near future. With that in mind, we are anticipating that the $75,000 is not a slush fund, but is actually for a program the Member for Deh Cho, and according to the committee, is calling a very worthwhile and important program. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am wondering if the Minister can answer whether or not it is feasible or possible that the equipment in the camps does not need replacing this year and that, in fact, maybe this money would not be used up? Or is it just a given that every year equipment is used up and has to be replaced and we can assume the same thing this year? What I am wondering is whether this is urgently required? Do we know? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell. Mr. Minister.