Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The honourable Member wanted to know which camps are existing and so forth.

In the Inuvik region, there are a number of them. There is Ester McLeod who has a capacity for two, with a current residence of one. Fred Dyck has the capacity for two, with a current residence of three. Edward Lennie, James Rogers and Rita Allen all have a capacity for two.

In Hay River, Kim Silverthorn has a capacity for one. In Fort McPherson, Eileen Koe has a capacity for two. These are alternate homes as well as on the land camps. In Snare Lakes, there is Alphonse Apples, who has a capacity for four. In Fort Smith, we have Charles Burke with a capacity for eight. On Simpson Islands, out of Hay River, Jerry Morin has the capacity for eight. In Fort Providence, Degas Gautienne has a capacity for two, but could hold up to three. Also in Inuvik, James Maring has a capacity for two. In Aklavik, Walter Alexcy has a capacity for two, with both spots open. Also in Inuvik, there is a Turning Point residence, an alcohol committee, which has a capacity for ten. This is not a camp, but an alternate home. These are the facilities.

Youth alternate homes are as follows: Inuvik, Tuma Drive Open Custody, capacity for six; Yellowknife, School Draw Open Custody, capacity for eight. These are alternate homes. Basically, these are some of the facilities that have been identified to me.

In response to the honourable Member's concern about the inmates having to choose which camp they wish to go to, which may be affecting the viability of some of the operators, the department has two concerns about inmate placement in camps. Inmates can only be placed in camps by way of temporary absence. These are for, I believe, adult inmates. The only way they can go to these camps is through a temporary absence. This is the only method by which a convicted offender can legally be allowed to leave the correctional centre before he or she has served his or her time.

According to the rules that were in place, an offender cannot be forced to go to a temporary absence. All temporary absences are entirely voluntary according to the way we conduct this program. Therefore, whoever wants to go to a camp, it is equally voluntary which camp they will attend. If the offender decides, for whatever reason, that they do not wish to go to a camp, they cannot be forced to go. In some instances, the offender or the inmate population has made this decision. People who wish to operate a camp have also been unable to do so.

The department has discovered through experience that persuading inmates to go to a camp they do not wish to go to does not necessarily work. It has been the experience of the department that shortly after the arrival at any camp where they do not want to be, the inmates will request a return to the correctional centre. For the safety of themselves and the operators, as well as because of the voluntary nature of the temporary absence, their request to return to the centre must be granted. The cost of transportation of moving the inmates back and forth is quite high in some cases, if you are taking them out on the land.

These are some of the concerns the department was faced with. The main point here is that the method by which the inmates can legally be allowed to leave is through a temporary absence. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We do not have the breakdown of that information and we will look through the department where this funding comes from. We will get that information to the Member.

For the record, it is my understanding the bush camps were originally set up to complement an existing traditional camp, where there is an infrastructure already existing, with the additional one or two bodies of inmates that are placed in these institutions complementing the cost of running the camp.

I understand the concern of the members of the committee and the honourable Member. Things have evolved and changed. This is a good program that many people have been asking for. The people that go into the correctional facilities in the smaller communities is to see why do we not put them out on the land. In some cases, businesses have been developed to do that. We will also look at that. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask the Minister to confirm that the adult camps are now listed at six. Is that what you stated?

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I explained there are seven adult facilities, with one of them, the Turning Point, which is a facility in the community of Inuvik. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I also wanted clarification regarding the two new camps. At our briefing, I heard witnesses talking about opening two new camps. I am not totally clear if they are going to be adult camps or if it is going to be one adult camp and one youth camp. Where are they going to be located?

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are two new camps pending. One of them is out of Fort Simpson with the Liidii Kue First Nations, which I believe is an adult facility. Tulita in the Sahtu area has a young offender facility. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask the Minister if he could recall in his briefing to us about the camp that was up for consideration on the boundary of Nahendeh and Deh Cho. I think it was Kip Cazon's camp. I do not see it on the list and he has not mentioned it.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have to apologize to the Member that the Fort Simpson Liidii Kue First Nation one is a young offender facility. It is going to be at the Notannah Lake, where the Cazon camp is. It is on the border of the Deh Cho- Nahendeh constituency. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask the Minister if he is considering limiting the amount of camps that are opening up? I have a real concern that the number of camps that are made available to the correctional facilities are exceeding the number of people wanting to attend.

There has been a lot of investment by the operators, and they are not getting the clients they require to operate. I understand the comments that this program was not initiated to be a money making venture, but we have to realize that the operators are in it to at least break even. Most of these camps are losing money. I would like to ask the Minister if there would be some consideration given to limiting the number of camps out there. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Department is going to do a review of this whole area, looking at the concerns that were raised from the Members here as well as from the concerns raised from the different operators that are out there.

Hopefully, we will have something by the end of summer. Thank you.