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Murray

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When I met with the board about three weeks ago with my assistant deputy minister, Vern Christiansen, I was expressing the hope that I did not believe it would be a large cut in the interim. I do not recall saying there would be no cuts.

At the time, the assistant deputy minister and I were not under the impression that there would be massive cuts. These are not massive, but at the same time letters were sent out to all communities last fall, letting them know that cuts were possible. As well, in our consultations on the municipal finance review last fall, it was recognized then that cuts may happen.

The reason I did not go out in the last month since I started and let communities know the exact figures is because this House has to approve those amounts before we can send out the letters and let them know how much they are getting. There certainly was no intention to mislead or in any way let them know there would be no cuts.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Association of Municipalities became aware of this yesterday evening because of the discussion in this House. They are definitely surprised with this. The fact that the interim appropriation was meant to stand pat.

As I was speaking to the mayor of Inuvik, the financial review the deputy minister referred to was something they were focusing on as well. They have been very concerned. Block funding has been in for a while. They found on a regular basis that those block funds are reduced with little input from the municipalities.

Coming from a tax-based municipality where we have two back to back tax increases to try to make up for the difference of lack of funding from other sources, mainly this government, I am very concerned. We will have to see something happen here because in communities, especially tax-based, any infrastructure that is received you have to pay a large portion of that through your tax base. That is a concern.

For the record, the NWTAM board was informed that there would be some level of reduction. There is a bit of stick handling here between a major amount of reductions or a small amount of reductions. The understanding they had at that meeting was there were to be no reductions in the interim. They were made aware that during the business planning process, some reductions could possibly come around at that point.

Now we have communities reeling because as of April 1, 2000, they are going to have less to spend on municipal infrastructure and operations and maintenance.

Could you confirm for the record that at the board meeting of the NWTAM held on February 25th and 26th, 2000, they were made aware that even during the interim appropriation, there were possible reductions? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was not at the meeting. I would like to defer the question to the deputy minister who attended the meeting.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Murray.

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Murray

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do not recall committing myself to saying there would be no cuts or that there would be cuts. As I recall, I might have said I am hoping there will be a "stand-pat" budget on the operations and maintenance side, but I do not recall knowing enough about the capital side at the time to comment on.

Now that I have seen the press release that is coming out, I can go back and check my own notes. I do not recall exactly three months ago, but I do not believe I would ever say to them there might not be the possibility of reductions. That would be taking the authority away from this House to make that decision. I just would not do that.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Murray. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just to try to deal with this issue, I know it is a very serious concern, this block funding, since it was discussed in the House yesterday. I would like to suggest we review this issue in the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. We would like to look at it over the next few weeks and see if there is a possibility of making adjustments. If it is a concern now for the interim, we would like to deal with it. I think we have a number of weeks before the passage of the interim appropriation and maybe make adjustments throughout the department. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Is the Minister stating that there would be no changes during the interim, but in fact there will be a review done over the next few weeks and it will come forward during the business planning stages?

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Minister.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes. We are very flexible and we respond to the concerns of our citizens out there. We will keep the block funding as is, but it is definitely subject for later on as we deal with the mains. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to thank the Minister and his staff for making that very clear and for allowing the municipalities that would be affected to have a number of months for planning. They could build into their financial situations the possibility of reductions as of March 31, 2000. I would like to thank the Minister responsible for taking positive action on this. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you. That was more of a comment than a question. I have on my list Mr. Miltenberger, Mr. Delorey, and Mr. Dent. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In light of the Minister's comments, my concerns in this matter for the interim appropriation have been addressed. Thank you.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Delorey.

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Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am basically of the same opinion. I would like to thank the Minister responsible for taking positive action on this to address the concerns of the public at large. My comments have been addressed under the statement he has made. Thank you.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Delorey. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am also pleased that the Minister has committed to no reductions for the period covered by the interim. This will come back for further discussion when we consider the business plans and the mains.

One other thing I would encourage the Minister to do is make sure his staff meets with the municipalities that could be affected by the block funding agreements to ensure the department is fully aware of any proposed cuts that they may wish to come back and discuss with the committee. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, we will do that. Once we have a very clear idea of where we are going to go, we will do a follow up. That will happen as soon as we have a clear direction on how to proceed. Thank you.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Any other questions or comments for the Minister? We are on page 5 of the black binders, tab 6, page 5, dealing with the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. Total Municipal and Community Affairs, operations and maintenance, $18,322,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.