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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Rattray.

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Rattray

Mr. Chairman, in the first four-month period we are planning on completing most of the structural and mechanical system design work. We are also looking at undertaking replacement of the elevator system in the building. Those are sort of the first few steps that we can take prior to confirmation of who the building occupants will be. Once the building occupants are identified, then we will be looking at initiating design work for those floors and then moving on a floor-by-floor basis to complete the work. This is a fairly complicated project in terms of the scheduling. We are trying to do it with a minimum disruption to tenants. There will be some relocations as part of the project and it will be necessary to phase the work so it proceeds in a logical order.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you. Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can I get information as to what percentage of the building is occupied at the moment with government employees? Approximately?

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you. Mr. Rattray.

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Rattray

Mr. Chairman, I do not have the exact figures at the present time, but typically, we have been running at 50 percent occupancy of what the building could actually accommodate if it was properly fitted up. That is for two reasons; one reason is the building's mechanical ventilation system does not meet current code requirements. Current requirements for ventilation air have changed considerably over the last ten or 15 years and the current system simply cannot provide enough volume of air to accommodate as many people as we could accommodate within the building.

The second reason is that some of the floors in the building are fitted up, certainly the top floor is fitted up for the previous government's executive offices and the occupancy load is very low. There are some very large offices and it is difficult to get what would be considered to be the current occupancy standard on that floor and at least one of the other floors. We are expecting that we are going to have a more efficient utilization of existing space following the upgrade to the building, plus we are also expecting that with the ventilation system, we will be able to accommodate a full occupancy load.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

May I ask the Minister why it is that the building needs the ventilation system? Is the old system in the building so inadequate? Is that because of aging? I would have thought that even 30 years ago, they would have still needed a ventilation system. Is it that the system has aged and it cannot do the thing it was supposed to do? May I just have a little bit more information as to why this is the way it is? Thank you.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Mr. Rattray.

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Rattray

Mr. Chairman, age has affected some of the equipment in the building and certainly it makes it appropriate to change that equipment anyway. It is at the end of its useful life. That really does not speak to the capacity issue.

The capacity issue is more related again to the standards which have changed since the building was built. It was built to the building code standards and the standards of the time. In those days, the perception of what was required in order to meet or maintain a healthy work environment is quite different than today. It is now recognized that a substantial amount more ventilation area is required in order to maintain a healthy working environment. The codes have changed and it is now necessary to meet the new codes.

To some extent that is a structural problem in the building. We actually have to enlarge the access to the building in order to pull in enough air and circulate enough air to all of the floors.

There is another issue in that building. The building was initially, if I recall correctly, built as five floors. The sixth floor was an add-on and was not envisioned as part of the initial ventilation system. The ventilation system has been piece-mealed as well. All of those factors mean that we need to invest heavily into the building's ventilation and air conditioning systems.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Mr. Chairman, I just want to state for the record, I think that given the location and history of the building, it was one of the first buildings the government moved into in 1967. However, it is just not a nice thing to look at in downtown Yellowknife.

It is one of very few buildings the government owns. I think that it makes economic sense to renovate it and make use of it in a way that it should be used. I hope the Minister will keep this on his list and continue to try to find the money so we can make that building not only functional, but also a very beautiful building in downtown Yellowknife. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Ms. Lee, was that a suggestion or a question?

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

A suggestion, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Would you like to add anything, Mr. Rattray or Mr. Steen?

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I thank the Member for her comments. I believe the renovation includes bringing the building up to standards, including its looks. There is a paint job as well as both indoor and outdoor renovations.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Mr. Nitah, general comments.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can the Minister tell me what percent of subsidy is provided to a community where the department operates the storage and distribution of fuel products? What is the savings per litre for people purchasing that fuel?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If I may, I will ask Mr. Austin to respond to that.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Mr. Austin.

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Austin

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. At this point in time, with the subsidy based on the landed costs from the last year's re-supply to recover operating costs, we were subsidizing five cents a litre on average across the Territory. For the full recovery of all costs, the subsidy is in the range of 13 cents to 14 cents a litre.

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Thank you. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

That would mean there would be a savings of 13 to 14 cents a litre by the consumers?

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The Chair Leon Lafferty

Mr. Austin.