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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I move that the activity, corporate management, under the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development in the 2000-2001 main estimates, be deferred at this time.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Your motion is in order. We do have to get copies made, so we will take a short break and come back to vote on the motion.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

I will call the committee back to order. Can you read your motion for the record, Mr. Roland.

Committee Motion 6-14(3): To Defer Activity, Corporate Management, Rwed (carried)
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that activity, corporate management, under the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development and of 2000-2001 Main Estimates be deferred at this time. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

The motion is in order. The motion is not debatable. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

We are deferring corporate management and we will move on to page 11-13, environmental protection. Total operation expenses, $1.951 million. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am wondering if this is the activity that would tie into the environmental situation out at Giant. I was wondering if we could get an update on what is happening in terms of the clean-up at Giant. I remember reading in the media that there were to be less federal funds available in the next fiscal year for that clean-up. I would like to find out from the department what is happening in terms of clean-up and how we are co-ordinating with the federal government on that issue?

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, I will ask the deputy minister to give us details. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Bob McLeod.

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Bob McLeod

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With regard to the Giant Mine clean-up, last year when the issue came up, the Government of the Northwest Territories took the position that the liabilities would be set aside and we would work with the federal government on the clean-up issue.

Last year the federal government spent about half a million on clean-up. This year, the Government of the Northwest Territories has worked with the federal government to develop a work plan for clean-up for the year 2000-2001. The Government of the Northwest Territories has committed $285,000 this year, and the federal government is expected to contribute $755,000 for clean-up at the Giant Mine site.

Right now, Indian and Northern Affairs Canada have not allocated a budget because of internal budget issues that they are working on. However, we have been working together on a plan and expect that the work will continue as we have worked together in the past. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The deputy minister has said that a work plan had been developed. That is, the work plan has been developed for the next year and between the two governments there is a plan to spend just over $1 million? Is it expected that in future years, the spending will be in the same relationship? It looks like just over two-thirds, one-third split.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Minister.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Chairman, one major issue that needs to be resolved is the whole question of liability. Even though the liability issue is set aside this year, the intention is to resolve that issue. Then the two governments would each be responsible for their share, depending upon liability, and how that question is answered, so it could be quite different. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Going back to my question about the work plan, has it been developed? If so, over what period of time does it see the clean-up of Giant Mine taking place?

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The work plan, which is a preliminary work plan, was developed over a period of three years. What is required is an in-depth, on-site inspection, which would come up with some very hard costs as to the clean-up. Initially, the work plan has been developed for a three year period. The costs for next year are starting to be significant, so the expectation is that the liability question would be addressed sometime this year. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The deputy minister has said that there is a three year work plan in place. I take it that the three year plan is to develop the long term plan for the clean-up. Is there any estimate yet how many years it will take to resolve the environmental liability at Giant Mine?

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Minister.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are two factors that come into play here, one is specifically with how they are going to remove the arsenic trioxide from underground. I do not think they have come to a firm conclusion on that. That is one issue that has to be resolved.

The second is the amount of money. The surface alone is about $16 million and the underground is going to be a lot more than that, probably in the neighbourhood of $200-250 million. Again, it is very difficult to estimate how long this whole clean-up is going to take. There is no doubt in my mind it is going to be five years or more. That is a guess, not knowing what the research is telling us, particularly for the underground. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am assuming that the Minister is meaning five years in addition to the three years that it is taking to develop the plan, so we are hoping to see things cleaned up within the next eight years.

Could the Minister advise us what are the plans to involve the public in developing this work plan, to make sure that there is public understanding and support for whatever process is proposed?

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Minister.