The amount that I gave to the Member is the fire suppression amount. All of that is spent on fire suppression. None of it is spent on the fire centre or on the contracts. The contracts are separate from that. It is the actual fire fighting costs. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Debates of June 27th, 2000
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Committee Motion 7-14(3): Recommendation To Issue Timber Harvesting Permits Only With Consent Of Affected Parties (carried)
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Can the Minister tell us exactly how much money is spent on the cost of water bombers for fire response?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
I do not have exact detail on each contract, but there is $5,744,000 for pre-suppression aircraft. That is for contracts for aircraft. In addition, there is another $5,112,000 for the costs incurred by the aircraft involved in fire suppression. There is money for materials and purchase services that go along with the servicing and maintenance of these aircraft. The total amount for this activity would be roughly $12 million for contracts and the operation of those aircraft. That is for both fixed wing and also for rotary wing.
Committee Motion 7-14(3): Recommendation To Issue Timber Harvesting Permits Only With Consent Of Affected Parties (carried)
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is a good example of how almost half the budget for the fire suppression is spent on aircraft, yet not even one third of that is spent in communities. I would like to ask the Minister exactly why is that? I know for a fact that the communities are only allowed a certain amount to be expended and they cannot exceed that amount. It is nothing near the $12 million spent on water bombers and aircraft. If they do not have a fire season or any fires, they still get that amount of money.
You are talking apples and oranges here. I think, to be fair to the communities, you should say exactly how much those communities are able to spend in a particular year. It is not even close, if you break the $8.6 million up, on all the 30-odd communities up and down the valley, that does not add up to much compared to what you spend on aircraft. Can you give us a better amount than what you said?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, all I can do is say that there is $8,608,000 that is for fire suppression. How that is allocated, I cannot break out by community because that depends on where the fires happen. The pre-suppression money, that is the aircraft contracts and so on, come to $12,044,000 including everything. It could happen one year that one particular community will spend a million dollars. Another year they might spend zero, depending on the fire season. It is like running a city fire season. We have to spend the money and have the activity where the fires are. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair Paul Delorey
Thank you, Mr. Handley. We are on page 11-25, forest management, operating expense. Total operating expense, $29,164,000. Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can I get an understanding of what the $22,475,000 under other expenses is for?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, that is a combination of the fire suppression, the $8.6 million, plus the pre-suppression, the $12,044,000. It includes those two plus some forest development money, which would make up the balance of $2 million, or less than that. Thank you.
Committee Motion 7-14(3): Recommendation To Issue Timber Harvesting Permits Only With Consent Of Affected Parties (carried)
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you. Are any of those dollars in forms of O and M or in salaries that have been moved from one area to the other? Have any of those amounts moved? From what I can see, the numbers under forest management, fire management, and pre-suppression, is $16,904,000, fire suppression is $8,608,000, forest development is $3,131,000, with a total of $28,643,000, yet under the page I mentioned it is $22,475,000, which is a different number than what is on forest management in program development in detail. Why is there a difference of almost $6 million?
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Committee Motion 7-14(3): Recommendation To Issue Timber Harvesting Permits Only With Consent Of Affected Parties (carried)
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, to add up the amount, you would take the $12 million that I mentioned already, you would then take the contract money, which is $7,598,000, and then there is other money for materials and supplies, purchase services, utilities, fees and payments for professional services and some other minor expenses that add up to 90 and 20.
Committee Motion 7-14(3): Recommendation To Issue Timber Harvesting Permits Only With Consent Of Affected Parties (carried)
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Committee Motion 7-14(3): Recommendation To Issue Timber Harvesting Permits Only With Consent Of Affected Parties (carried)
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Can the Minister give me an amount for professional expenses? Can you elaborate a little bit on that?
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Committee Motion 7-14(3): Recommendation To Issue Timber Harvesting Permits Only With Consent Of Affected Parties (carried)
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Committee Motion 7-14(3): Recommendation To Issue Timber Harvesting Permits Only With Consent Of Affected Parties (carried)
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Can the Minister give me the amount for professional expenses? Can you elaborate on what professional expenses are?
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have expenses that result from our membership in the Canadian Inter-Agency Forest Fire Centre. There are license expenses. There are costs associated with some of the service that we may want in the regions. The total for professional services is $177,000, most of which goes to the Canadian inter-agency Forest Fire Centre, and they charge us a levy. They do that for each province. Thank you.