Mr. Cleveland.
Debates of June 27th, 2000
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Committee Motion 7-14(3): Recommendation To Issue Timber Harvesting Permits Only With Consent Of Affected Parties (carried)
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The Chair Steven Nitah
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Cleveland
By way of information for the Member, we did undertake a review a couple of years ago of high schools in general to examine what caused student success and student difficulties.
That led to the identification of several areas where it was felt that student support should be enhanced. Examples would include access to more courses, as well as the issues of counselling support for the students.
I would also say, Mr. Chairman, we have not done a comprehensive review specifically of just those questions where we have not seen success. As the Minister indicates, we do work directly with the division education councils when particular locations are identified as being an issue. Thank you.
Committee Motion 7-14(3): Recommendation To Issue Timber Harvesting Permits Only With Consent Of Affected Parties (carried)
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. Mr. Dent.
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Charles Dent Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to go back to the issue of student financial assistance. Did I understand the Minister to tell Mr. Bell that in fact a student who was not schooled in the Northwest Territories, even though his or her parents were resident here, who was sent out to boarding school, would qualify for assistance under the new program?
I do know of a student who was told by student services that she would no longer qualify for remissible loans and grants, and that she would only qualify for the repayable needs assessed loans because now the system is tied to years of schooling rather than to years of residency.
Maybe I could start with some confirmation that we can send this student down to the department, with Hansard in hand tomorrow, to show student services that she is in fact able to qualify for remissible loans and the grants that she would have qualified for in the old system. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Minister Ootes.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you. If we can get the name of the student, we would be most pleased to pass that on to the director of the program to ensure the student is taken care of. Thank you.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Mr. Dent.
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Charles Dent Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will make sure that gets passed on very quickly. I appreciate that. That does, in fact, cover the grandfathering issue, if this is going to be looked after for all students. I think it does cover the grandfathering issue that we had talked about in committee.
Another issue we were concerned about was transition. I also heard the Minister say, in response to Mr. Bell, that it was going to cost something in the area of $1.5 million to offer the kind of transition to the new program that the committee had asked for.
Could we get an indication of the statistics? How many students who complete their undergraduate degree, in other words, complete four years of study, go on then to take two years of university within the Northwest Territories?
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Mr. Ootes.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Mr. Cleveland.
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Cleveland
Mr. Chairman, given the complexity and the confusion on this matter, I will try to state how we arrived at the number. Hopefully, that will clarify it for the Members, and confirm for us that we are actually talking about the same issues.
What we did was examine the number of students who have used up their entitlement and who would have a different and an enhanced entitlement under the new program. We examined not simply people who had taken and passed in this past year, for example, but some people who had been eligible previously for three years or two years or one year. We examined what the cost would be to, as I mentioned, increase their entitlement over and above what they were entitled to and what they used in the past. The number for that comes to between $1 million and $1.5 million. It is about 200 students, plus or minus.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Mr. Dent.
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Charles Dent Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is then, assuming I understood the explanation just provided, that every one of those students who qualified for that funding were to take it.
I think it is important to remember a good number of people who would qualify for two extra years, who may have completed four years may plan on working before going back to grad school, or may not plan on pursuing anything further than an undergraduate degree. I think it is still essential for us to assess what is the level of continuation. How many people who complete their four-year entitlements carry on to years five and six?
That sort of percentage could then be applied across the board. I am just wondering are we looking at a worst case scenario with the $1.5 million? Is it more likely we are talking about a significantly smaller amount? Because in all likelihood, not everybody would apply to use the funding that they might now qualify for.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Minister Ootes.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Mr. Cleveland.
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Cleveland
Mr. Chairman, we recognize there will be some students who will not continue on. That is one of the reasons for the range between $1 million and $1.5 million. We have examined this. Given the data that is available, and based on the history we have in the data bank, we think those are reasonable numbers. Thank you.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Mr. Dent.
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Charles Dent Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Did that number include only those students who were enrolled in this most recent semester?
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Mr. Cleveland.
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Cleveland
Yes, Mr. Chairman. It was based on the most recent semester data.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Mr. Cleveland, can you please repeat that?
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Cleveland
I am sorry, Mr. Chairman. The answer to the Member's question is yes, it is based on the most recent data that we have available from the past semester. Thank you.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Mr. Dent.